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26th November 2012, 07:04 PM
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Obama's Culture of Life: Abortion Rate Drops by Largest Percentage Since 2000
Has Obama done more to decrease the actual amount and rate of abortion in four years than Bush did in eight years? Could it be that social programs that offer help to poor mothers and increasing access to contraception actually decrease the amount of abortions? What does this say about Republican policies that have done nothing to decrease the abortion rate? |
26th November 2012, 09:06 PM
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Reps: 61,906,335,722,022,656 (power: 61,906,335,722,028) | | | It says that Republican talking points are not in line with reality. If we can't outlaw abortion (which we can't at this time) then the next best thing is to decrease abortions. One way to do this is by helping women who unexpectedly find themselves pregnant. Don't make them think that abortion is the only way out. Show them that they can make it as single mothers with a baby.
But the far-right says that social programs to support single mothers encourage bad behavior. That it encourages promiscuity. So they pander to those who don't need help and say that those who do need help are immoral and would misuse the help they get anyway. So they get no help and decide to just make the pregnancy "go away."
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26th November 2012, 09:18 PM
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Reps: 199,715,749,275,894,176 (power: 199,715,749,275,899) | | Originally Posted by Tallguy88  It says that Republican talking points are not in line with reality. If we can't outlaw abortion (which we can't at this time) then the next best thing is to decrease abortions.
Sure you can. Not nationwide, but states can further limit when abortion can be procured or downright ban it. Originally Posted by Tallguy88 But the far-right says that social programs to support single mothers encourage bad behavior. That it encourages promiscuity. So they pander to those who don't need help and say that those who do need help are immoral and would misuse the help they get anyway. So they get no help and decide to just make the pregnancy "go away."
I would say all social programs in place now do more harm than good, and I say this because there really are little resources in ensuring people get out the current financial funk they are in.
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26th November 2012, 09:31 PM
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Reps: 61,906,335,722,022,656 (power: 61,906,335,722,028) | | Originally Posted by Brooklyn Knight Sure you can. Not nationwide, but states can further limit when abortion can be procured or downright ban it.
They can outlaw it, but until Roe is overturned, it would be largely symbolic. In fact, my state has an abortion ban written into it's Constitution, but you can still get an abortion here. But I do agree that we can limit the availability, pass notification laws, etc.
[quote/]I would say all social programs in place now do more harm than good, and I say this because there really are little resources in ensuring people get out the current financial funk they are in.[/quote]
All the laws do more harm than good? My sister is a pregnant, unwed teen and she gets help from the state. Medicaid, food stamps, and WIC. And after the baby gets here, she'll be eligible for subsidized housing. Certainly nobody is happy about the situation, but we're happy that there is help.
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26th November 2012, 09:36 PM
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And yet another thread.
<b>John Kerry, Howard Dean, and Hillary Clinton used that ploy during the 2004 election cycle, and it was debunked by Fact Check.Org in 2005:Politicians from Hillary Clinton and John Kerry to Howard Dean have recently contended that abortions have increased since George W. Bush took office in 2001. This claim is false. It’s based on an an opinion piece that used data from only 16 states. A study by the Alan Guttmacher Institute of 43 states found that abortions have actually decreased. Update, May 26: The author of the original claim now concedes that the Guttmacher study is “significantly better” than his own.
The abortion statistics found here show the downward trend continuing through 2007.
Where Does Obama Get His Abortion Statistics? « Nice Deb</b>
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26th November 2012, 09:39 PM
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Reps: 61,906,335,722,022,656 (power: 61,906,335,722,028) | | Originally Posted by WarriorAngel The abortion rate just hit an all-time low
And yet another thread. <b>John Kerry, Howard Dean, and Hillary Clinton used that ploy during the 2004 election cycle, and it was debunked by Fact Check.Org in 2005:Politicians from Hillary Clinton and John Kerry to Howard Dean have recently contended that abortions have increased since George W. Bush took office in 2001. This claim is false. It’s based on an an opinion piece that used data from only 16 states. A study by the Alan Guttmacher Institute of 43 states found that abortions have actually decreased. Update, May 26: The author of the original claim now concedes that the Guttmacher study is “significantly better” than his own.
The abortion statistics found here show the downward trend continuing through 2007.
Where Does Obama Get His Abortion Statistics? « Nice Deb</b>
Looks like it peaked in 1993 and has been decreasing ever since. That's good. And it also puts a damper on the "If you vote Democrat, you vote for abortion!" argument.
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26th November 2012, 09:41 PM
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Reps: 199,715,749,275,894,176 (power: 199,715,749,275,899) | | Originally Posted by Tallguy88 All the laws do more harm than good? My sister is a pregnant, unwed teen and she gets help from the state. Medicaid, food stamps, and WIC. And after the baby gets here, she'll be eligible for subsidized housing. Certainly nobody is happy about the situation, but we're happy that there is help.
Does your sister have an education? Sister have any job training or has some skill she could use at a profession?
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26th November 2012, 09:55 PM
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Reps: 61,906,335,722,022,656 (power: 61,906,335,722,028) | | Originally Posted by Brooklyn Knight Does your sister have an education? Sister have any job training or has some skill she could use at a profession?
No, she got pregnant in high school and now works part time to try and save up money. The boy is a lazy deadbeat.
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26th November 2012, 10:02 PM
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I checked even gov sites - there is no info on this since 2008.
So if anyone has a gov site - or any site that isnt partisan - please refer it.
BTW - 2 weeks ago - stats were supposedly up due to the GOP. But now they are down - due to Obama?
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26th November 2012, 10:03 PM
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Reps: 199,715,749,275,894,176 (power: 199,715,749,275,899) | | Originally Posted by Tallguy88 No, she got pregnant in high school and now works part time to try and save up money. The boy is a lazy deadbeat.
That's great for your sister.
However, the problem is that there is little being done with regards to job training or teaching new skills for employment, promoting further studies at less cost for an individual, really being diligent in finding people employment, AND - this one really irks me - you have states offering aid to illegal immigrants while certain citizens are left to fend for themselves.
That's why I have a problem: you've got people on food stamps, Medicaid and they remain there, and it's not their fault.
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