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Old 31st October 2012, 02:54 PM
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Hello everyone and God's blessings upon everyone. As many here know, I want to join the Missouri Synod. The Lutheran Chaplain that is here however travels alot, and is hardly ever here, so my encounters with him have been very few, though helpful. My other thread I posted not to long ago that speaks about how I need patient and how excited I am still holds. I feel like I'm going nuts, for one to be with my awesome loving family, and the other to start my journey in joining the LC-MS. I have been so "thirsty" for knowledge on Lutheran Theology and I've been looking up much on my own and "self" teaching.

Thanks to a link another member here posted, I have been looking at Jonathan Fisk's World View Everlasting videos as of late and that has been so awesome. Are there any others however on youtube or anything that can help me get more knowledge. I have also been speaking to my soon to be Pastor and he has been very helpful on clarifying things as well.

Also, and last, as many know, christians from other denominations and I gather to simply read the bible, and talk about what we believe it says. Slowly I have been introducing Lutheran Theologies in there, today however, was really heavy on it, gospel vs. law, justification, sanctification, we had a discussion on speaking in tongues as well, and they actually agreed with all of the LCMS official point of views... and that was cool, but, I know for a fact that the Pentecostals and Baptist and whatnot do NOT hold these views. Should I talk to them about lutheranism?

How can I even talk about Lutheranism when I am barely learning about it and only scratching the surface, how can I hold a debate that it is indeed biblical and that their views aren't, without involving their faith in God, because I can see it, they are devout christian men... I've invited all of them to join me to church but they are set on their churches except for my best friend here. He's willing to tag along. I mean, I had a discussion with one in particular how I came to Lutheranism and his words were:

"Be careful because even though it may be biblical and you agree with their theology you might not do so good in their church, you might end up leaving it later..." And I was just very dumbfounded, how can that even begin to make sense?

1. It is biblical
2. I think it's biblical
3. I think it's a pure Christian teaching
4. I agree with it's theology

How can that not be good for me to join... whatever, now I'm ranting. Sorry. Anyway, that's all I got.

(EDIT: Clarification for any that don't know me, we are in Afghanistan, there are no churches here, and we have 3 Chaplains that rotate, one which I think I have narrowed down to Baptist, 1 Roman Catholic, and 1 Lutheran.
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Old 31st October 2012, 03:37 PM
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Well, remember: you are a Christian first and foremost. This gives you much in common with your brothers and sisters of other denominations. Maybe this was what your chum was trying to convey to you?

Be careful not to focus so much on LC-MS that you lose sight of Jesus and his love for ALL His people. We, none of us, have it all correct. Not even Jonathan Fisk

I hope you are able to read a lot of Luther. If you have a Kindle, Amazon has some good selections.
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Old 31st October 2012, 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Lizabth View Post
Well, remember: you are a Christian first and foremost. This gives you much in common with your brothers and sisters of other denominations. Maybe this was what your chum was trying to convey to you?

Be careful not to focus so much on LC-MS that you lose sight of Jesus and his love for ALL His people. We, none of us, have it all correct. Not even Jonathan Fisk

I hope you are able to read a lot of Luther. If you have a Kindle, Amazon has some good selections.
Hello Lizabth, and God bless. The LC-MS is not viewed as a church, but all the churches at least on paper agree with these views and that is the synod. I'm sure it's more complicated then that but I believe that is a dumbed down version. With this being said, I realize that LC-MS does not = Jesus, I beleive in God the Father Almighty, Creator of Heaven and Earth, and his only Son, our Lord, and in the Holy Spirit, that these are one. The reason I want to get into the Concordia, Small Catechism and other such texts so much, is not to follow Luther, but rather because it's Biblical. My Christian brothers here are saved, I'm not doubting that, I am not referring to this, I am speaking now on Biblical Doctrine, what is taught in the Lutheran Church that is biblical and correct. This accuracy is what I am craving, to learn these doctrines and leave behind the Bias'ed unbiblical views that I once had.

I was once that person that would randomly pull verses out of the Bible completely out of context and use it, not because I wanted to fool anyone, but because I really thought I was learning and teaching biblical, I wasn't looking at it as a whole. This is the reason this question mainly is on a Lutheran forum. I hope that clarifies it, my questions on this page aren't about salvation or the judgement or hate of my Christian brothers, for they are brothers in Christ and are great amazing loving people who I love and get along with, its simply about Lutheran Theology. May our Holy Triune God be with you and bless you.
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I reacted in a similar way when I first became Lutheran. I've heard it referred to as 'Convert Zeal'. You're really excited about everything you're learning, and that really is great. Just be sure you're not depending too much on the emotions you're experiencing and you'll be fine. A few years down the road you may not still be as excited, and that's to be expected.

One thing I experienced, and continue to experience, is frustration with cradle Lutherans who are envious of the popularity and emotionalism of American Evangelicalism. In my church the pastor (IMO) doesn't do a very good job of teaching people to distinguish between true doctrine and false doctrine, and there is a very heavy influence from American Evangelical theology and practice. When I have tried to encourage them to treasure their Lutheran heritage, some of them have been offended.

Hang in there. Even the Lutheran church is just a bunch of sinners, redeemed by God's grace.
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Be careful not to focus so much on LC-MS that you lose sight of Jesus and his love for ALL His people. We, none of us, have it all correct.

I have visited every major denomination and it is my experience that the LCMS is the most correct.
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Originally Posted by dario68w View Post
Thanks to a link another member here posted, I have been looking at Jonathan Fisk's World View Everlasting videos as of late and that has been so awesome. Are there any others however on youtube or anything that can help me get more knowledge. I have also been speaking to my soon to be Pastor and he has been very helpful on clarifying things as well.
Some good podcasts that have been helping me are; "Issues Etc.", "God Whisperers", "Table Talk Radio", "Radical Grace", and "Fighting for the Faith". Hope at least one of these are helpful and edifying for you.
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Some good podcasts that have been helping me are; "Issues Etc.", "God Whisperers", "Table Talk Radio", "Radical Grace", and "Fighting for the Faith". Hope at least one of these are helpful and edifying for you.
'Issues Etc.' is the best radio show ever. If you ever are wondering about a topic even tangentially related to Christianity, they likely have an episode on it. Great guests. Great hosts. Christ centered. Cross focused.

'Fighting for the Faith' is a tad bit annoying IMHO. I think its because Chris Rosebrough kind of grates on me and tends to go on and on and on.

'Table Talk Radio' is great for a fun hour. I love those mediocre guys.
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Well, remember: you are a Christian first and foremost.

Unfortunately this can be misunderstood, implying “Christian first, Lutheran second.” But that is not accurate. Rather, it is:

Christian by faith, Lutheran by confession.

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