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I think I posted this before in OBOB, but it is important to keep minds sober. If nothing else to at least avoid ignoring a problem.

Most Catholics in survey say Jesus sinned
Jersey jolt: most Catholics in survey say Jesus sinned

Over Half of South Jersey's Catholics Believe Jesus Sinned
Study: Over Half of South Jersey's Catholics Believe Jesus Sinned

N.J. bishop calls faith study results 'intriguing'
N.J. bishop calls faith study results 'intriguing' ‚€“ USATODAY.com


I think anyone who considers them self even the slightest bit Christian (let alone someone who is an actual member of the RCC) should consider this a big deal.
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Well, after that interlude of irrelevant unsupported statistical claims, perhaps we can return to the thread's theme; "apart from the Church there is no salvation".
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Originally Posted by MoreCoffee View Post
Albion, can you give the URL for your statistics? Or must we just accept them because you typed them in one of your posts?
Maybe they come from the same place you got your "30,000 denominations" claim.

Catholics never seem to be in a big hurry to cite sources for their claims, but always demand that we do so.

Why the double standard?
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Originally Posted by Eric Hibbert View Post
Maybe they come from the same place you got your "30,000 denominations" claim.

Catholics never seem to be in a big hurry to cite sources for their claims, but always demand that we do so.

Why the double standard?
Fact Check: If you can find any place where I made a claim about 30,000 denominations then you will have a point, but if you can't then you're just blowing smoke.
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To say that only 1/3 of one billion Catholics believe in the Real Presence is a HUGE red herring...Are there individual Catholics who do not hold to the teachings of the Catholic Church? Without a doubt (Joe Biden comes to mind)...that does not mean that their is doctrinal disunity within the heirarchy of the Church...which is what Albion would have us believe...I can poll South Jersey Protestants and come up with some disturbing numbers if I tried hard enough...
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Originally Posted by Defensor Christi View Post
To say that only 1/3 of one billion Catholics believe in the Real Presence is a HUGE red herring
The survey covered only American Catholics. I thought you understood that.

I can poll South Jersey Protestants and come up with some disturbing numbers if I tried hard enough...
Probably so, but that wasn't at issue. The claim that all Catholics agree on every teaching was.
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Originally Posted by Albion View Post
The survey covered only American Catholics. I thought you understood that.
Clearly not...I would still dispute that claim however...

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Probably so, but that wasn't at issue. The claim that all Catholics agree on every teaching was.
I dont think anyone would suggest that EVERY Catholic follows the teachings of the Church to the letter...that would be a virtual impossiblility and not a position I would even attempt to defend...

The Unity we have rests in the heirarchy of the Church, DOCTRINALLY we are one...(WE of course being BIG Catholic not INDIVIDUAL Catholic) neither the Church (nor God) can FORCE anyone to accept all the truths that are taught...
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Brother Defensor Christi, I think you are being trolled. I do not think the stats are a serious matter and I am sure that the stats have nothing to do with the thread's theme.
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Originally Posted by Defensor Christi View Post
Clearly not...I would still dispute that claim however...
Of course you would.

I dont think anyone would suggest that EVERY Catholic follows the teachings of the Church to the letter...that would be a virtual impossiblility and not a position I would even attempt to defend...
Hopefully not, but it's also incorrect to claim that "most" Catholics believe exactly as the church tells them to (which was the original allegation I responded to).
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Originally Posted by MoreCoffee View Post
Fact Check: If you can find any place where I made a claim about 30,000 denominations then you will have a point, but if you can't then you're just blowing smoke.
I agree with that, but I do not believe the Catholic Church is the only one
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