| General Theology The forum for general theological discussions about issues that do not fit in any other forum, eg. Angelology |
 | | 
31st October 2012, 07:19 PM
|  | Faith + Hope + Love
29   
| | Join Date: 17th April 2007
Posts: 2,415
Blessings: 6,103,143 My Mood 
Reps: 444,791,070,341,126,464 (power: 444,791,070,341,135) | | I think I posted this before in OBOB, but it is important to keep minds sober. If nothing else to at least avoid ignoring a problem. Most Catholics in survey say Jesus sinned Jersey jolt: most Catholics in survey say Jesus sinned Over Half of South Jersey's Catholics Believe Jesus Sinned Study: Over Half of South Jersey's Catholics Believe Jesus Sinned N.J. bishop calls faith study results 'intriguing' N.J. bishop calls faith study results 'intriguing' – USATODAY.com
I think anyone who considers them self even the slightest bit Christian (let alone someone who is an actual member of the RCC) should consider this a big deal.
__________________
I will praise the LORD at all times.
I will constantly speak His praises.
I will boast only in the LORD;
let all who are helpless take heart.
Come, let us tell of the LORD’S greatness;
let us exalt His name together.
Psalm 34:1-3
one Lord, one faith, one baptism |
1st November 2012, 01:40 AM
|  | O Lord, make haste to help me.
 
| | Join Date: 8th January 2011
Posts: 9,321
Blessings: 190,095,349
Reps: 1,943,923,761,749,758,976 (power: 1,943,923,761,749,771) | | | Well, after that interlude of irrelevant unsupported statistical claims, perhaps we can return to the thread's theme; "apart from the Church there is no salvation". |
1st November 2012, 07:52 AM
| | Newbie
| | Join Date: 26th July 2011
Posts: 850
Blessings: 1,052,560
Reps: 107,357,583,001,818,176 (power: 107,357,583,001,820) | | Originally Posted by MoreCoffee  Albion, can you give the URL for your statistics? Or must we just accept them because you typed them in one of your posts?
Maybe they come from the same place you got your "30,000 denominations" claim.
Catholics never seem to be in a big hurry to cite sources for their claims, but always demand that we do so.
Why the double standard? |
1st November 2012, 08:12 AM
| | O Lord, make haste to help me.
| | Join Date: 8th January 2011
Posts: 9,321
Blessings: 190,095,349
Reps: 1,943,923,761,749,758,976 (power: 1,943,923,761,749,771) | | Originally Posted by Eric Hibbert Maybe they come from the same place you got your "30,000 denominations" claim.
Catholics never seem to be in a big hurry to cite sources for their claims, but always demand that we do so.
Why the double standard?
Fact Check: If you can find any place where I made a claim about 30,000 denominations then you will have a point, but if you can't then you're just blowing smoke. |
1st November 2012, 11:16 AM
|  | Praying for Pope Francis....
 
 | | Join Date: 25th October 2012 Location: SoCal
Posts: 1,549
Blessings: 2,002,784
Reps: 193,291,051,498,890,848 (power: 193,291,051,498,892) | | | To say that only 1/3 of one billion Catholics believe in the Real Presence is a HUGE red herring...Are there individual Catholics who do not hold to the teachings of the Catholic Church? Without a doubt (Joe Biden comes to mind)...that does not mean that their is doctrinal disunity within the heirarchy of the Church...which is what Albion would have us believe...I can poll South Jersey Protestants and come up with some disturbing numbers if I tried hard enough...
__________________
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
|
1st November 2012, 11:21 AM
|  | Legend
 
| | Join Date: 8th December 2004
Posts: 33,502
Blessings: 70,598,184
Reps: 4,106,505,579,493,441,536 (power: 4,106,505,579,493,483) | | Originally Posted by Defensor Christi To say that only 1/3 of one billion Catholics believe in the Real Presence is a HUGE red herring
The survey covered only American Catholics. I thought you understood that.
I can poll South Jersey Protestants and come up with some disturbing numbers if I tried hard enough...
Probably so, but that wasn't at issue. The claim that all Catholics agree on every teaching was. |
1st November 2012, 11:31 AM
| | Praying for Pope Francis....
| | Join Date: 25th October 2012 Location: SoCal
Posts: 1,549
Blessings: 2,002,784
Reps: 193,291,051,498,890,848 (power: 193,291,051,498,892) | | Originally Posted by Albion The survey covered only American Catholics. I thought you understood that.
Clearly not...I would still dispute that claim however...
Originally Posted by Albion Probably so, but that wasn't at issue. The claim that all Catholics agree on every teaching was.
I dont think anyone would suggest that EVERY Catholic follows the teachings of the Church to the letter...that would be a virtual impossiblility and not a position I would even attempt to defend...
The Unity we have rests in the heirarchy of the Church, DOCTRINALLY we are one...(WE of course being BIG Catholic not INDIVIDUAL Catholic) neither the Church (nor God) can FORCE anyone to accept all the truths that are taught...
__________________
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
|
1st November 2012, 11:37 AM
| | O Lord, make haste to help me.
| | Join Date: 8th January 2011
Posts: 9,321
Blessings: 190,095,349
Reps: 1,943,923,761,749,758,976 (power: 1,943,923,761,749,771) | | | Brother Defensor Christi, I think you are being trolled. I do not think the stats are a serious matter and I am sure that the stats have nothing to do with the thread's theme. |
1st November 2012, 11:38 AM
| | Legend
| | Join Date: 8th December 2004
Posts: 33,502
Blessings: 70,598,184
Reps: 4,106,505,579,493,441,536 (power: 4,106,505,579,493,483) | | Originally Posted by Defensor Christi Clearly not...I would still dispute that claim however...
Of course you would.
I dont think anyone would suggest that EVERY Catholic follows the teachings of the Church to the letter...that would be a virtual impossiblility and not a position I would even attempt to defend...
Hopefully not, but it's also incorrect to claim that "most" Catholics believe exactly as the church tells them to (which was the original allegation I responded to). |
1st November 2012, 11:42 AM
| | Veteran
 
| | Join Date: 17th March 2012
Posts: 1,124
Blessings: 9,359 My Mood 
Reps: 82,853,159,499,166,768 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by MoreCoffee Fact Check: If you can find any place where I made a claim about 30,000 denominations then you will have a point, but if you can't then you're just blowing smoke.
I agree with that, but I do not believe the Catholic Church is the only one | | |
| Thread Tools | | | | Display Modes |  Linear Mode |
| | |
