Is salvation a process?

uglytruth · #1 27th October 2012, 02:31 PM

I read the bible and realize how far off I am as a believer. Is this normal?

P1LGR1M · #2 27th October 2012, 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by uglytruth

I read the bible and realize how far off I am as a believer. Is this normal?

Hello uglytruth.

The question limits the aspects of salvation which scripture teaches, by which we can say "We are saved, we are being saved, and we will be saved."

The first salvation is one of position, in which we are made new creatures through the New Birth which is a spiritual work of God nowhere in scripture taught to be reversed.

The second refers to the work that takes place in the life of the born again believer which is progressive, and speaks of the work that is accomplished both by the indwelling of God as He leads and guides us by His Spirit, and the responsibility of the believer to actively seek to obey that which the Lord commands and expects of His children, namely, an active effort on our part to outwardly correlate our lives to the inward spiritual rebirth, by which we are called to put awaysin and separate ourselves from the world system.

The third refers to the redemption of our bodies which will take place at either the Rapture (if we should be so fortunate to among those that are imediately glorified without physically dying) or (and this is just my view), for those that died before the Cross and those that die after the Rapture, there are two distinct times when glorification takes place: 1) when the Millennial Kingdom is established, or, 2) at the end of the Millennial Kingdom, whch I am more inclined to lean toward, because we will see a resurrection at that time which will be the last one occurring in this present creation.

Originally Posted by uglytruth

I read the bible and realize how far off I am as a believer. Is this normal?

I commend you for such an honest heart, and would suggest you request a namechange, my friend, perhaps...Nathaniel, for example.

It is normal for new students to be overwhelmed, but you are on the right track, asking questions and seeking for the truth which God will surely give to those that are His. This is, in my view, a greater indication of salvation than most "evidences" that are commonly accepted as "proofs" of salvation.

Salvation is a process, UT, but within that framework are certain irrefutable aspects which we must understand, and the first one for you to question is the debate as to wheter salvation can be lost or not. As I said, #1 given above will be, by the serious student, seen to be clearly taught in scripture. It is for you to allow God to teach this to your heart through His word, rather than taking another's word for it. But again, as I said, it saeems you are on the right track, so hang in there brother.

God bless.

uglytruth · #3 27th October 2012, 03:33 PM

My issue is that I see Christians who obviously love Christ. And when I look in the mirror and ask myself that question I find it hard to say I do. I am going through a crisis, my relationship with Christ is new and I wonder if I'm following for the right reasons. I just want to get to a point where I view god as my number 1 and not just something I do when times are rough. I keep thinking as soon as he pulls me through this crisis I will growto love him more. And I'm just not sure if that is acceptable or if it's even normal.

I was wanting to change my name, how do I do that?

1509 · #4 27th October 2012, 03:34 PM

[quote=P1LGR1M;61649090]Hello uglytruth.

[quote]The question limits the aspects of salvation which scripture teaches, by which we can say "We are saved, we are being saved, and we will be saved."[quote]

There is only one way and one salvation.

The first salvation is one of position, in which we are made new creatures through the New Birth which is a spiritual work of God nowhere in scripture taught to be reversed.

I agree, it's called born again or born from above.

The second refers to the work that takes place in the life of the born again believer which is progressive, and speaks of the work that is accomplished both by the indwelling of God as He leads and guides us by His Spirit, and the responsibility of the believer to actively seek to obey that which the Lord commands and expects of His children, namely, an active effort on our part to outwardly correlate our lives to the inward spiritual rebirth, by which we are called to put awaysin and separate ourselves from the world system.

I agree, so long as you are not saying that work is to earn and keep Salvation.

Salvation is a process, UT, but within that framework are certain irrefutable aspects which we must understand, and the first one for you to question is the debate as to wheter salvation can be lost or not. As I said, #1 given above will be, by the serious student, seen to be clearly taught in scripture. It is for you to allow God to teach this to your heart through His word, rather than taking another's word for it. But again, as I said, it seems you are on the right track, so hang in there brother.

I think you might agree that salvation is a free unmerrited gift, that means there is nothing we can do to get it, neither do we deserve it.

A person is either saved or lost, justified or not justified, sheep or a goat, light or darkness, it's one or the other. Because salvation is an eternal free gift, it can not be lost.

Joh 6:37All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
Joh 6:38For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
Joh 6:39And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
Joh 6:40And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Joh 10:26But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
Joh 10:27My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
Joh 10:28And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall anymanpluck them out of my hand.
Joh 10:29My Father, which gavethemme, is greater than all; and nomanis able to pluckthemout of my Father's hand.

1Jn 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

phoenixdem · #5 27th October 2012, 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by uglytruth

I read the bible and realize how far off I am as a believer. Is this normal?

Understanding our limitations and our failures due to our corrupt nature is part of surrendering everything to Christ.

P1LGR1M · #6 27th October 2012, 04:42 PM

[quote=1509;61649240][quote=P1LGR1M;61649090]Hello uglytruth.

[quote]The question limits the aspects of salvation which scripture teaches, by which we can say "We are saved, we are being saved, and we will be saved."

There is only one way and one salvation.

I agree, it's called born again or born from above.

I agree, so long as you are not saying that work is to earn and keep Salvation.

I think you might agree that salvation is a free unmerrited gift, that means there is nothing we can do to get it, neither do we deserve it.

A person is either saved or lost, justified or not justified, sheep or a goat, light or darkness, it's one or the other. Because salvation is an eternal free gift, it can not be lost.

Joh 6:37All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
Joh 6:38For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
Joh 6:39And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
Joh 6:40And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Joh 10:26But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
Joh 10:27My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
Joh 10:28And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall anymanpluck them out of my hand.
Joh 10:29My Father, which gavethemme, is greater than all; and nomanis able to pluckthemout of my Father's hand.

1Jn 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

I am in wholehearted agreement with evreything said here.

God bless.

1509 · #7 27th October 2012, 05:19 PM

[quote=P1LGR1M;61649523][quote=1509;61649240][quote=P1LGR1M;61649090]Hello uglytruth.

The question limits the aspects of salvation which scripture teaches, by which we can say "We are saved, we are being saved, and we will be saved."

I am in wholehearted agreement with evreything said here.

God bless.

I agree, so long as a Justified one does not half to do things/works to earn and keep their Salvation, once saved always saved.

Works and or fruit of the Spirit are an evidence of regeneration, not to earn or keep salvation, right or wrong.

P1LGR1M · #8 27th October 2012, 05:34 PM

[quote=1509;61649716][quote=P1LGR1M;61649523][quote=1509;61649240]

Originally Posted by P1LGR1M

Hello uglytruth.

I agree, so long as a Justified one does not half to do things/works to earn and keep their Salvation, once saved always saved.

Works and or fruit of the Spirit are an evidence of regeneration, not to earn or keep salvation, right or wrong.

Read the post again and see if you can bring out of it a works-based profession.

God bless.

P1LGR1M · #9 27th October 2012, 06:06 PM

[quote=1509;61649716][quote=P1LGR1M;61649523][quote=1509;61649240]

Originally Posted by P1LGR1M

Hello uglytruth.

I agree, so long as a Justified one does not half to do things/works to earn and keep their Salvation, once saved always saved.

Works and or fruit of the Spirit are an evidence of regeneration, not to earn or keep salvation, right or wrong.

Hello agaon 1509, just wanted to let you know there is a conversation going on you might be interested in found here.

Always glad to see another join this particular conversation (OSAS). And while not exclusively OSAS oriented, we cannot help but see the connection between Sola Gratia and OSAS.

God bless.

1509 · #10 27th October 2012, 07:36 PM

[quote=P1LGR1M;61649969][quote=1509;61649716][quote=P1LGR1M;61649523]

Originally Posted by 1509

Hello agaon 1509, just wanted to let you know there is a conversation going on you might be interested in found

Always glad to see another join this particular conversation (OSAS). And while not exclusively OSAS oriented, we cannot help but see the connection between Sola Gratia and OSAS.

God bless.

Thanks, I am in full agreement with the article written by Chris, I also added my two cents.