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21st October 2012, 06:47 AM
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21st October 2012, 09:15 AM
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21st October 2012, 10:00 AM
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Reps: 167,751,935,348,192,704 (power: 167,751,935,348,199) | | | Again, we should vote our values, not our theology.
If an atheist supports the platform that the purpose of government is NOT to take care of your every perceived need free of charge, and a person claiming to be a Christian supports the platform that government is indeed to steal from productive citizens and provide every perceived need including free cable and cell phones, the atheist has the position that is better for the country's survival.
The Christian who cannot vote for Romney because he is a Mormon should certainly not vote for Obama since he supports black liberation theology and pure 100% liberal theology.
Are you a voter, Mr Jim? If not, why should we listen to you? You are only attempting to pass on your philosophy to others and get them not to vote.
Just be content with the America you get as a result of that philosophy. Follow your thinking to the end of its road and see where it leads.
I don't care if you don't answer the above questions, but please consider this one: if Romney were a Baptist, would you be voting for him?
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21st October 2012, 11:47 AM
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Reps: 321,599,711,541,441,792 (power: 321,599,711,541,465) | | Originally Posted by Hupomone10  Again, we should vote our values, not our theology.
If an atheist supports the platform that the purpose of government is NOT to take care of your every perceived need free of charge, and a person claiming to be a Christian supports the platform that government is indeed to steal from productive citizens and provide every perceived need including free cable and cell phones, the atheist has the position that is better for the country's survival.
The Christian who cannot vote for Romney because he is a Mormon should certainly not vote for Obama since he supports black liberation theology and pure 100% liberal theology. There are other options if one wants to vote.
Are you a voter, Mr Jim? If not, why should we listen to you? You are only attempting to pass on your philosophy to others and get them not to vote. Just passing on the news of evangelical compromise to justify the Mormon. If the vaunted Graham association says Mormons are cool now then I expect JWs will be OK soon too.
Just be content with the America you get as a result of that philosophy. Follow your thinking to the end of its road and see where it leads. I continue to stock up on beans, bullets, and bandaids~hard times are coming regardless of which globalist puppet is in the WH.
I don't care if you don't answer the above questions, but please consider this one: if Romney were a Baptist, would you be voting for him?
If he was flip-flopping RINO like Romney then no.
STILL would like to hear what you think about the actual topic~if the Grahams had done this outside of an election year there would (maybe?) be an uproar amongst baptists?
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"Each voter is guilty of the evil they support with their vote." ~Protoevangel (21st c.)
"Stripping motivated people of their dignity and rubbing their noses in it is a very bad idea."
~John Ross Unintended Consequences
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21st October 2012, 04:43 PM
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Reps: 167,751,935,348,192,704 (power: 167,751,935,348,199) | | Originally Posted by MrJim I continue to stock up on beans, bullets, and bandaids~hard times are coming regardless of which globalist puppet is in the WH. On this we agree, brother. I have a question on this, that I'll send you PM some time.
STILL would like to hear what you think about the actual topic~if the Grahams had done this outside of an election year there would (maybe?) be an uproar amongst baptists? I don't agree with the site removing that. However that has little to do with which one of the only possible's would be better for the country. I agree with Graham's support of Romney, I disagree with his website removing references to the cult-nature of Mormonism, and i don't vote theology when voting for a president, else I would vote for Jimmy Carter were he to run now. An agnostic but true conservative would probably be a better pick than Carter. We are citizens of two kingdoms, the earthly and the spiritual. It is best that we don't confuse them.
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"The price of birth is His death for us; the price of growth is our death with Him."
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“My love of consistency with my own doctrinal views is not great enough to allow me knowingly to alter a single text of Scripture. I have great respect for orthodoxy, but my reverence for inspiration is far greater. I would sooner a hundred times over appear to be inconsistent with myself than be inconsistent with the word of God.” – Charles Spurgeon
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21st October 2012, 06:26 PM
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Reps: 321,599,711,541,441,792 (power: 321,599,711,541,465) | | Originally Posted by Hupomone10 On this we agree, brother. I have a question on this, that I'll send you PM some time.
Looking forward to it  I don't agree with the site removing that. However that has little to do with which one of the only possible's would be better for the country. I agree with Graham's support of Romney, I disagree with his website removing references to the cult-nature of Mormonism, and i don't vote theology when voting for a president, else I would vote for Jimmy Carter were he to run now. An agnostic but true conservative would probably be a better pick than Carter. We are citizens of two kingdoms, the earthly and the spiritual. It is best that we don't confuse them.
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I don't know that i confuse them more than not wanting to compromise with one at the expense of the other. I don't generally "box" off things into "earthly" and "spiritual" but see it as a more seamless whole. My allegiance is only to one Kingdom; I've no real allegiance to any earthly kingdom anymore [ I don't "love" America but don't "hate" it either, it's simply where I'm at and where I "hang my hat" as an Ambassador of God's Kingdom. There are worse places to be but where ever God would have me I would hold to the same. I work within the system as necessary but recognize it as fallen and wicked~I maintain a very high "situational awareness" knowing the inherent evil and corruptness within the system.] And I understand too that mine is a minority position in the Church in America  so folks are going to have different convictions on these things.
It's heartbreaking to hear the Graham Association compromising themselves in this situation; it point towards feeling some kind of need in establishing an "earthly" power & influence~~and in retrospect Graham has a long history of being the "President's Pastor"~at least the conservative ones. I would agree with others' assessments that this is more Franklin's doing; the old man may not even be fully cognizant of what is going on?
...and Carter..really  ~~now maybe Pat Buchanan...
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"Each voter is guilty of the evil they support with their vote." ~Protoevangel (21st c.)
"Stripping motivated people of their dignity and rubbing their noses in it is a very bad idea."
~John Ross Unintended Consequences
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21st October 2012, 11:00 PM
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Reps: 128,221,411,714,277,184 (power: 128,221,411,714,292) | | Originally Posted by MrJim There are other options if one wants to vote.
Correct. My wife and I are voting for a 3rd option. Not only is Romney a devoted cult member but he's also a moral liberal when it comes to his politics. Just looks at his past statements and the state he governed. It is sad Christians are so easily fooled into just voting republican, thinking there is no other option than Romney or Obama. I know God will honor my vote which I can make with a clear conscious.
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22nd October 2012, 02:55 PM
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23rd October 2012, 12:50 PM
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also, as far as im aware, he never directly endorsed romney.
i know the website quotes him as saying he will do anything to support him or whatever, but that's not the same as publicly saying, "hey people, vote for this guy."
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