Brenda,
Glad to see you feel free to post here. Though I don't know your personal struggles, I have experienced that awful feeling that God doesn't care about me or wouldn't take time out of His day to bother with me. I don't pretend to say that I understand how God thinks and works because I don't. I can't.
I do believe that He loves us and watches over us. I don't pretend to understand how. There are many of us here who at one time or another have had feelings much like those that you are sharing.
~Sandy
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I am surpirsed at the ending. Just because someone commits suicide doesn't mean that it is an automatic free ticket to hell. Jesus died for all of our sins. The only unforgiveable sin was blasphemy against the holy spirit... killing yourself from too much pressure/struggles/depression/hopelessness/whatever in life doesn't mean that you are exempt from the grace or mercy of God. Killing yourself does not equal rejecting God. I hope you all take a deep, long thought about this. Think about it. I myself am a Chrisitan. If I were to repent right now of all my sins, then commit a sin or two and die right afterwards, does that mean I go to hell? Absolutely not! Unless almost all of us (unless you are one of the extremely lucky few who get to repent as/right before you die) go to hell right after we die because we didn't repent. I believe suicide in a sin, but it doesn't stop you from getting to heaven because Jesus has forgiven all of your sins. Jesus almost in essence commited suicide *but not like we think of it*. THe Bible says he sarcrificed himself. He had every right in the world to live, but he let them kill him. If I purposefully let someone kill me, isn't that suicide? Even if I am wrong about that, I know I am right about people not going to hell just for committing suicide, even if they lived a 100% pleasing and holy life unto God then gave up because they couldn't handle it anymore.
I personally think that sucide is an unforgivable sin. But that didn't stop me from trying, I just have to trust god to keep on carrying me until I can walk on my own again...
I mean...look at your own sig... "TGIF...Thank God I'm forgiven" YOu are forgiven. Doesn't make it right, doesn't make it not a sin, doesn't mean I condone it for a half a millisecond, but YOU ARE FORGIVEN
So you are saying that it is alright for me to go ahead and blow my brains out because I'm depressed? Never mind how much it would hurt other people and God that I would be gone. And never mind I could have asked God to help me with what is bothering me. Also, I could have tried to trust Him and at least be thankful of what He had been doing in my life. You don't think that it would hurt him at all? Are you totally sure because I'm not not enough to stake my life and eternalty on it. I wouldn't tell someone to pull the trigger either. If I really knew God's love for me like the Bible talks about, I wouldn't even consider suicide either. I would have known how much he really loves me and would have felt safe instead of feeling scared that he might would walk out on me like people did. That was put here to supposedly love me and protect me. Instead I got severely abused and have a hard time trusting anybody. So no, I don't believe if I pulled the trigger, I would go to heaven.
"I mean...look at your own sig... "TGIF...Thank God I'm forgiven" YOu are forgiven. Doesn't make it right, doesn't make it not a sin, doesn't mean I condone it for a half a millisecond, but YOU ARE FORGIVEN"
Yes it will hurt God deeply. He would mention how he could have used you in your life more, but you cut it short.
Have you ever read that verse....not sure what it is... "nothing can seperate you from the love of God, not death nor life nor demons or angels etc etc" you know the verse Well, it sticks for this subject too.
Final Conclusion: I do NOT THINK SUICIDE IS THE ANSWER AND IT IS A SIN. BUTTTTTTTT YOU WILL NOT AUTOMATICALLY GO TO HELL FOR IT. That is the point I am making. Why? Because you are forgiven. Nothing more, nothing less.
Last edited by PetraFan007; 22nd December 2003 at 10:58 PM.
Teen for Jesus wrote the TGIF on her sig., not me. And one has to be either really out of it or extremely depressed or something to actually want to die. Most people actually don't want to die, they just want their problems to stop. On the other hand it is kind of selfish to commit suicide considering what you put others through. And I wasn't nessesarily talking to you PetraFan since I started this post. And we do have differing beliefs on this board.
I'm not suicidal, this is a letter about suicide. It is actually a prayer at the end. "Lord help me to know your love now, while I'm still here and help me to trust you. I don't want to wait till its too late then find out how much you loved me and I missed out on it". I want to know God's love now not wish someday I had. I thought what God might would have said to me and what my friends might would have said if I wasn't here. When people talked about near death experiences, they would talk about feeling God's love so much stronger than here and the things he said to them. It's like don't wait till someones gone and wished you had told them or listened to them type of message. Used to, when I was depressed though I thought more about this stuff though. It's not a matter of the question of making it or not, it's knowing God now. Sorry, I don't make sense because it just made sense to me. I want to know what God would say to me now about his love and trust." Sometimes it's like I'm in a wall and others don't understand me and there is something I'm terrified of but I can't remember what. But I want God to find a way to get through to me.
Dear Debbi,
Writing a letter like this is very serious, I know that you may look at my age and say that I don't know what I am talking about but I do know. A letter like this although you are not planning on suicide now it means that you have thought about and seriously considered the effects of your commiting suicide.
I also know that I am in no position to speak for God but You need to know that what God would say to you is that your amazing and a wonderful person. Even if you don't see it for yourself it's true. God has a purpose for you Debbi otherwise you wouldn't be here now. All I can see to say for you is that You need to take a look at your life and put it into perspective, seperate the good from the bad and then focus only on the things that God has given you and not on the things the devil has taken from you.
Your sister in christ- Sillyrabbit- KT
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In the mirror I see the horror on my face I see the burning in my eyes as my beautiful sky falls My heart is broken My face is destroyed, no more smiles...
She watches as the red drops fall quietly No one can hear how she dies Staring at her weapon She is her worste enemy In death she is silent Her pain is gone Her cold skin is laid to rest Black roses shall line her grave
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yeh chill out petrafan we do have differing beliefs and i dont think its the wisest thing coming on a board where many are suicidal and trying to water down the full effect of what suicide actually does,if u commit a sin like stealing £5 from ur friend- then b4 you repent a bus knocks u over,i think this is different because u neva chose to end your life thus having no chance to repent,its quite a hypothetical situation anyway,i think in these cases God will guard against a faithful servant who maybe slipped on an offday from dying until he has repented IMO. In a way total despair and lack of love for life is a sin and ur not given God a chance to change you when u commit suicide,and b4 i get shot down for this id just like to point out that ive been suicidal so i aint judging anyone.
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