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What Happened To People In The Old Testament When They Died?

What happened to people in the Old Testament when they died? Where did the "believers" go and where did the "non-believers" go? Please use scripture references in your reply, I'm a new babe in Christ so I appreciate it when people can share information but use the Bible to confirm what they are stating.

Also, when we die here and now, do we immediately go to be with God if we have accepted His gift of salvation and do those that haven't accepted immediately go to hell?

Is the soul the only part of us that enters heaven/hell?
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Since the fall of man, the basis of salvation has always been the death of Christ. No one, either prior to the cross or since the cross, would ever be saved without that one pivotal event in the history of the world. Christ's death paid the penalty for past sins of Old Testament saints and future sins of New Testament saints.

The requirement for salvation has always been faith. The object of one's faith for salvation has always been God. The psalmist wrote, “Blessed are all who take refuge in him” (Psalm 2:12). Genesis 15:6 tells us that Abraham believed God and that was enough for God to credit it to him for righteousness (see also Romans 4:3-8). The Old Testament sacrificial system did not take away sin, as Hebrews 10:1-10 clearly teaches. It did, however, point to the day when the Son of God would shed His blood for the sinful human race.

What has changed through the ages is the content of a believer's faith. God's requirement of what must be believed is based on the amount of revelation He has given mankind up to that time. This is called progressive revelation. Adam believed the promise God gave in Genesis 3:15 that the Seed of the woman would conquer Satan. Adam believed Him, demonstrated by the name he gave Eve (v. 20) and the Lord indicated His acceptance immediately by covering them with coats of skin (v. 21). At that point that is all Adam knew, but he believed it.

Abraham believed God according to the promises and new revelation God gave him in Genesis 12 and 15. Prior to Moses, no Scripture was written, but mankind was responsible for what God had revealed. Throughout the Old Testament, believers came to salvation because they believed that God would someday take care of their sin problem. Today, we look back, believing that He has already taken care of our sins on the cross (John 3:16; Hebrews 9:28).

What about believers in Christ's day, prior to the cross and resurrection? What did they believe? Did they understand the full picture of Christ dying on a cross for their sins? Late in His ministry, “Jesus began to explain to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, chief priests and teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life” (Matthew 16:21-22). What was the reaction of His disciples to this message? “Then Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him. ‘Never, Lord!’ he said. ‘This shall never happen to you!’” Peter and the other disciples did not know the full truth, yet they were saved because they believed that God would take care of their sin problem. They didn't exactly know how He would accomplish that, any more than Adam, Abraham, Moses, or David knew how, but they believed God.

Today, we have more revelation than the people living before the resurrection of Christ; we know the full picture. “In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe” (Hebrews 1:1-2). Our salvation is still based on the death of Christ, our faith is still the requirement for salvation, and the object of our faith is still God. Today, for us, the content of our faith is that Jesus Christ died for our sins, He was buried, and He rose the third day (1 Corinthians 15:3-4).
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Good response. I would only add that salvation has always been by grace, through faith, not from anything man could do, deserve, or decide.
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Good response. I would only add that salvation has always been by grace, through faith, not from anything man could do, deserve, or decide.
I would also say that, and if i came across other wise it was not my intent.
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Originally Posted by etr2013 View Post
What happened to people in the Old Testament when they died? Where did the "believers" go and where did the "non-believers" go?
they both go to the same place! here's what the bible says:



Ecclesiastes 9:5,10(NKJV)
5 For the living know that they will die; But the dead know nothing, And they have no more reward, For the memory of them is forgotten...10Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with your might; for there is no work or device or knowledge or wisdom in the grave where you are going.

the "living" are "believers" and "non-believers" and when we die we are going to the grave (gen 3:19)!

i just wish people would remember that resurrection is our hope (1cor 15:16-18)

also, remember heb 9:27!



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Also, when we die here and now, do we immediately go to be with God if we have accepted His gift of salvation and do those that haven't accepted immediately go to hell?
the false notion of dying and going to either heaven or hell at death is simply not found in the bible! they are false notions that have crept into christianity through pagan beliefs, again remember heb 9:27.

Jesus said:


John 3:13(NKJV)
13No one has ascended to heaven... (i think that would include the people from the old testament!)

why people believe the opposite of what the Christ has said about the matter is beyond me, but for some reason they do.

here again proving that no one goes to heaven at death is the apostle paul:


Acts 2:29,34(NKJV)
29“Men and brethren, let me speak freely to you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his tomb is with us to this day...34For David did not ascend into the heavens,...

surely, if anyone went to heaven, it would be david, a man described as being after God's own heart (1sam 13:14).

but that's not the case because he is both dead and buried!


Originally Posted by etr2013 View Post
Is the soul the only part of us that enters heaven/hell?
another myth!

man does not have a soul. man is a soul!

there is nothing in or about man that can live of itself, we are mortal beings (lev 17:11,14).

read gen 2:7 very carefully and you'll see that "man became a living soul" not "man has a living soul"!

and God says that the soul who sins shall die - ezek 18:4,20!

i've generally found that people believe the opposite of what the bible says.

people belive we die and go to heaven or hell , where the bilbe says the opposite.

people believe we have a soul where the bible says we are a soul.

if the bible says "up", people advocate "down".

and the list goes on.

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What Happened To People In The Old Testament?

Dear etr2013. In John 14, verse 2 and 3, Jesus tells His Disciples that He is going to prepare a place for them in His Father`s House with many mansions, when they die. Verse 3 says:" I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you unto myself; that where I am, ye may be also." That is in the New Testament.
After Jesus had risen, He went for three days visiting the souls from the Old Testament. I say this with love. Greetings from Emmy, your sister in Christ.
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What happened to people in the Old Testament when they died? Where did the "believers" go and where did the "non-believers" go? ...
The believers went to paradise (also called Abraham's bosom) ( see Luke 16:22a) The wicked went to hell (hades if you prefer that word) (see Luke 16:22b-23a)
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they both go to the same place! here's what the bible says:



Ecclesiastes 9:5,10(NKJV)
5 For the living know that they will die; But the dead know nothing, And they have no more reward, For the memory of them is forgotten...10Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with your might; for there is no work or device or knowledge or wisdom in the grave where you are going.

the "living" are "believers" and "non-believers" and when we die we are going to the grave (gen 3:19)!

i just wish people would remember that resurrection is our hope (1cor 15:16-18)

also, remember heb 9:27!





the false notion of dying and going to either heaven or hell at death is simply not found in the bible! they are false notions that have crept into christianity through pagan beliefs, again remember heb 9:27.

Jesus said:


John 3:13(NKJV)
13No one has ascended to heaven... (i think that would include the people from the old testament!)

why people believe the opposite of what the Christ has said about the matter is beyond me, but for some reason they do.

here again proving that no one goes to heaven at death is the apostle paul:


Acts 2:29,34(NKJV)
29“Men and brethren, let me speak freely to you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his tomb is with us to this day...34For David did not ascend into the heavens,...

surely, if anyone went to heaven, it would be david, a man described as being after God's own heart (1sam 13:14).

but that's not the case because he is both dead and buried!




another myth!

man does not have a soul. man is a soul!

there is nothing in or about man that can live of itself, we are mortal beings (lev 17:11,14).

read gen 2:7 very carefully and you'll see that "man became a living soul" not "man has a living soul"!

and God says that the soul who sins shall die - ezek 18:4,20!

i've generally found that people believe the opposite of what the bible says.

people belive we die and go to heaven or hell , where the bilbe says the opposite.

people believe we have a soul where the bible says we are a soul.

if the bible says "up", people advocate "down".

and the list goes on.
You bring up some valid points, but how do we explain these verse's?

Php 1:21 For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain.
Php 1:22 But if I live in the flesh, this is the fruit of my labour: yet what I shall choose I wot not.
Php 1:23 For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better:
Php 1:24 Nevertheless to abide in the flesh is more needful for you.

1Th 3:13 To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.

1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
Rev 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
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What happened to people in the Old Testament when they died? Where did the "believers" go and where did the "non-believers" go? Please use scripture references in your reply, I'm a new babe in Christ so I appreciate it when people can share information but use the Bible to confirm what they are stating.
hi...although we can only touch on the subject here, i'll start it off by posting the following...

their spirit went to be with God in heaven...
they "figuratively sleep" from the earth,
but are very much alive in heaven...

here's OT proof


Ecc 12:6 Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern.

7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.


also consider Samuel 1:28

Also, when we die here and now, do we immediately go to be with God
Yes...
here's NT scripture proof


Jesus teaches us a few things when He said to the thief on the cross,
that He will see Him in paradise that day

Jesus also gives us the example of Lazarus and the bad rich man...
BOTH were in heaven,
Lazarus was on the happy side,
and the rich man was on the not so happy side
but both were there.

there's plenty more...
i like the Revelation's examples..they are easy to follow

consider Rev6:9-11, 5th seal martyrs...
and Rev12:10-12 heavenly declaration by the dead
and Rev19:1-3's multitude singing in heaven
and Rev19:10 and Rev22:8-9,16's angel who used to be one of us.


if we have accepted His gift of salvation and do those that haven't accepted immediately go to hell?
everyone goes to heaven...good or bad...but there is two sides to it

hell is a study all it's own...
more than one word is translated into hell, and they have different meanings.

sheol(hebrew)/hades(greek) means the grave, where your body goes...dust to dust
tartarus is the greek word for the demon's/evil angels prison
gehenna (derived from hebrew) is the worst place imaginable,
which at the time was the garbage dump outside of Jerusalem,
but historically was where idolatry and human sacrifice went on

hell can also be a condition...a state of mind...


Is the soul the only part of us that enters heaven/hell?

people speak of spirit and soul as the same...
it is a debatable subject....
i think today that when we say "soul" i think we mean "spirit"
our bodies return to the dust, and stay there forever.
our "soul" or "spirit" returns to the Father who gave it
we exist in heaven with spiritual bodies, and will be raised back here on the last day, in those spiritual bodies,
when the Lord Comes from heaven with the dead and raises them here (1Thes413-16/1Cor15 whole chapter, specifically :51f)

as i said, this post only just touches on all the biblical evidence that folks exist consciously in heaven until it is time for them to be raised here...
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