Scapegoat

Robban · #1 18th October 2012, 04:16 AM

Where does the idea of a little guy with horns come from?
If there is such a figure, does he have any power today?
Or rather, does he have as much power as we allow him to have?
If there is such a figure, will say.

I,m guessing the idea has something to do with the scapegoat.
Put the blame on him and send him off into the desert, (or hell whichever)

savedbygrace05 · #2 18th October 2012, 05:09 AM

Originally Posted by Robban

Where does the idea of a little guy with horns come from?
If there is such a figure, does he have any power today?
Or rather, does he have as much power as we allow him to have?
If there is such a figure, will say.

I,m guessing the idea has something to do with the scapegoat.
Put the blame on him and send him off into the desert, (or hell whichever)

Satan has been around from before time began. He is first in evidence in the Garden of Eden as the serpent who deceived Eve. Seen again at the beginning of the book of Job, also seen in Zech 3 as the accuser. There are many more references to him, especially in the NT (see for example Lk 4).

He was put out of heaven along with other fallen angels for leading a rebellion against God (Lk 10: 18).

He is certainly not a scapegoat!

http://www.compellingtruth.org/who-is-Satan.html

Robban · #3 18th October 2012, 05:21 AM

Originally Posted by savedbygrace05

Satan has been around from before time began. He is first in evidence in the Garden of Eden as the serpent who deceived Eve. Seen again at the beginning of the book of Job, also seen in Zech 3 as the accuser. There are many more references to him, especially in the NT (see for example Lk 4).

He was put out of heaven along with other fallen angels for leading a rebellion against God (Lk 10: 18).

He is certainly not a scapegoat!

Eve seemed to think he was a scapegoat long before the word was invented, she put the blame on him anyway.
Part of my question is, where does the image of a being with horns come from, a slug has horns. It also creeps. Or crawls,

savedbygrace05 · #4 18th October 2012, 05:26 AM

Originally Posted by Robban

Eve seemed to think he was a scapegoat long before the word was invented, she put the blame on him anyway.
Part of my question is, where does the image of a being with horns come from, a slug has horns. It also creeps. Or crawls,

She certainly did, and we have all been shifting the blame ever since! The horned devil is largely a human construct, probably taken from the book of Revelation!

Robban · #5 18th October 2012, 05:53 AM

Originally Posted by savedbygrace05

She certainly did, and we have all been shifting the blame ever since! The horned devil is largely a human construct, probably taken from the book of Revelation!

Thank you for your honest, unwavering and uncomplicated reply.

The Satan is real, an adversery, who,s mission is to tempt and accuse.
As far as I understand it.
But if the Satan is on God,s payroll, how would it be possible to falsly accuse?

Lotuspetal_uk · #6 18th October 2012, 05:56 AM

Wasn't the imagery taken from Pan the Greek god of fertility during the 18th and 19th century?

Robban · #7 18th October 2012, 06:20 AM

Originally Posted by Lotuspetal_uk

Wasn't the imagery taken from Pan the Greek god of fertility during the 18th and 19th century?

In the 18 th and 19th century I think the image of the Greek god pan became a key"figure" in the "Romantic movement" in W Europe.
The ancient Grek god pan was a god of the wild shepherds and flocks, nature etc, and a companion of nymphs.
All of which goes completely over my head, not knowing much it.

savedbygrace05 · #8 18th October 2012, 06:55 AM

Originally Posted by Robban

Thank you for your honest, unwavering and uncomplicated reply.

The Satan is real, an adversery, who,s mission is to tempt and accuse.
As far as I understand it.
But if the Satan is on God,s payroll, how would it be possible to falsly accuse?

Being under God's Sovereign control is not the same as being on a payroll!!

Robban · #9 18th October 2012, 07:06 AM

Originally Posted by savedbygrace05

Being under God's Sovereign control is not the same as being on a payroll!!

Excuse me, a slip of the pen,

Well, it,s not a very nice job he,s got.

Is it not so that a King has to test His subjects loyalty?
The One God is both our King and Father,
A King demands and the good news is, the Father shows compassion.

savedbygrace05 · #10 18th October 2012, 07:52 AM

Originally Posted by Robban

Excuse me, a slip of the pen,
Well, it,s not a very nice job he,s got.

Is it not so that a King has to test His subjects loyalty?
The One God is both our King and Father,
A King demands and the good news is, the Father shows compassion.

Satan is a rebel, no more no less, and his fate is sealed;

Rev 20 - "When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them. And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever."