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Kat Kerr, Prophet or Phoney?

I have watched some videos by Kat Kerr. She alleges to have been taken to heaven very many times over many years. Is this another money making scheme, a complete fabrication, much like the obviously false Mary Baxter’s visits to hell? What do you think is going on? Here are some arguments against the idea that Kat Kerr is really going to heaven, (and is some sort of prophet).

1. How likely is it, that of all the millions of souls in heaven, Kat happens to see Jesus playing a game of Golf with one of the subjects of her book?

2. Kat describes a movie theatre; here people play the roles in the films themselves; how many people would actually want to do that? Rather than just sit down to watch a classic film. I wouldn’t. Allegedly, there is nothing dodgy allowed. But she mentions one of the films as being Star Wars, where swords are being wielded. However, Star Wars has its own religion, which is very New Age; the so called ‘force’. John Wayne is featured in one film, wielding a gun and chasing some villains. So why is there violence allowed?

3. There is a roller coaster in heaven. Would everyone want to participate in that? I wouldn’t.

4. Kat describes a room in heaven, where you have to use faith to open the door. In the room she saw a screen where she watched the creation. She says that between verse 1 and 2 of Genesis One, there are millions of years, and seems to say that dinosaurs were part of an earlier creation. Then she says that God can erase anything that he doesn’t like, sort of like a mistake. Does God make mistakes in the creation?

5. Another of the characters in her book is someone that always wanted to go on safari to Africa when he was alive, so in heaven he gets a mansion with lots of African styled things, and lions and other African animals roaming around outside. He gets to wear an African chief’s robe, and Jesus calls him ‘chief’. However, Jesus said not to call people by nicknames. And wouldn’t that character get bored with the African theme eventually?

6. Do angels have wings? According to Kat Kerr, the angels have wings, and some of them ride on the roller coaster. However, in the bible, there is no mention of angels with wings, except for the Cherubs and Seraphs, which are another class of angels. Ezekiel mentions that he met with a man who appeared to be made of bronze. Kat Kerr makes no mention of this type of angel. The angels in the bible are usually described as being like ordinary men.

7. Kat says that humans had a pre-existence before birth, and were small spirits within God. These spirits are incarnated at birth, and the plan is to have people born on earth, so that they can go home to heaven. Is that orthodox? I think not.

8. Kat says that Satan once walked inside God’s heart, amongst the ‘stones of fire’; these stones are inside God, and Satan would play tunes to God. Is that likely?

9. Kat seems to be encouraging contact/relationships with dead people, which is very much forbidden in the bible. According to her, these dead relatives are in heaven, watching us down on earth, at every significant event, from a viewing balcony. How are we supposed to know which relatives were saved, and went to heaven, and which ones didn’t make it? She says that we should say hallo to these relatives because they are looking down from heaven. Presumably they don’t spend their entire time observing us from heaven?

10. Kat says that one time she was transported back to the resurrection scene. There she sees the empty tomb and Mary sees Jesus appear, and Mary runs over and Jesus says not to cling to him. But which Mary is Kat talking about? The gospel accounts differ on what exactly happened at the resurrection, but as far as I’m aware, it wasn’t Mary, Jesus’ mother that was on the scene first, it was Mary Magdalene. Then Jesus ascends to the third heaven and Kat goes up with him. There she sees some sort of ritual, where an angel carries a vase, with Jesus’ blood in it (if I remember correct), and Jesus pours out his blood into some type of skillet, which makes a fizzing sound, and all these various sins are shown as words, like homosexuality, etc. as they go away. This visit to heaven happened after she had been ‘slain in the spirit’, in her ‘Assemblies of God’ church, where she was lying on the floor for a few hours, shaking.

11. Kat sees the Father in heaven, and is able to approach the throne. Nobody in the bible got close to that, except maybe Moses.

12. There is going to be a rapture, but it isn’t yet, it’s at least another 20 years away. That seems to do away with the doctrine of immanency; that Jesus can return at any time. Jesus/God didn’t tell her when the rapture would be. Can’t she ask? Is it soon?

13. Sometimes, Jesus turns up in person to escort people to heaven. However, Jesus is said not to be leaving heaven until the Second Advent.

14. People in hell are stuck there until the end of the millennium, and then they are turfed into the lake of fire for ever, after being judged. What’s the point of that? I know it’s orthodox according to what it says in the book of Revelation. All that she says is strictly orthodox, except for a few big clangers.

15. The people in heaven can’t see her, but she can see them and listen to their conversation. So who is she talking to when she’s up there? An angel, or Jesus?

It seems to me that there’s nothing new in any of these supposed revelations. Heaven is some sort of amusement park. For me this is likely to be some sort of hook, to get people interested, and then drop in some seriously heretical teachings, especially the one about the previous existence.

I suppose there are only a few options to consider. That she is having some sort of real experience, but that it is generated from her own imagination. Or that she is making it all up. I have heard people in church say things like 'there are angels here' and 'God has these burning coals that he wants to give you, and you have to come to the front to get them. Where? Where are the angels? I can't see any angels. Where are these supposed fiery Seraphim? I can't see any. Why do people say these things? Is it some sort of New Age visualisation technique? Is it occultish?

According to Kat Kerr, there is going to be some sort of dramatic new era of miracles, much according to that sort of charismatic expectation for the future. A lot of people, outside of the charismatic movement, believe that the age of signs and wonders was a one off period, of transition from the OT period, to the church age, and it finished at the end of the apostles era. I am coming around to this idea of late myself; the evidence indicates that there are no genuine miracles any more, no healings, it is all wishful thinking. If it was true then these people would be out on the streets getting people out of wheelchairs, and doing real miracles, instead of trying to pray for people with a crick in the neck, or a ringing in the ears.
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She is either trying to make money, she was given a demonic vision, or both.
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There is a rebuttal of the Kat Kerr theology HERE. However, I'm not familiar with the author who does the review.

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Originally Posted by knee-v View Post
She is either trying to make money, she was given a demonic vision, or both.
There's always the possibility of being mentally unstable. I usually find fraudulence and insanity to be better go-tos than satanic work. Not because the devil can't be at work in giving false visions, but that should probably be the last place we go for an explanation.

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There's always the possibility of being mentally unstable. I usually find fraudulence and insanity to be better go-tos than satanic work. Not because the devil can't be at work in giving false visions, but that should probably be the last place we go for an explanation.

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Kat Kerr, Prophet or Phoney?
Don't know her. Can't say. But I can say one thing. As a Mennonite, I believe all I have to do is spend enough time with a person to see what their "fruit" is like. If they have righteous fruit, they're on to something. If they don't, they're a fraud. It's as simple--and as difficult--as that. Anyone who asks me to believe something they say simply because they say it is speaking to the wrong person--I don't care what you say, I care what you do.
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Originally Posted by OzSpen View Post
Biblical discernment should not rule out any possibilities.

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No. But I think it often is far too easy to blame the devil, rather than recognize simple human fragility and sinfulness.

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1. How likely is it, that of all the millions of souls in heaven, Kat happens to see Jesus playing a game of Golf with one of the subjects of her book?


Jesus is omnipresent and can appear anywhere He wants to any time. The fact that He was playing golf in Heaven was shown to her to show how God rewards His people with their desires. He got his own golf course, and Jesus was playing. It's hard to imagine anyone beating Jesus at golf, and I can't think of anyone who would want to. Yet, we won't have a carnal perspective to cloud our judgment in Heaven. The purpose of her seeing this was to minister to her family, and for those who enjoy golf, and will do so in Heaven.

2. Kat describes a movie theatre; here people play the roles in the films themselves; how many people would actually want to do that?

If we all make it, I'll be you do! Let's be in one together?!

It's a riot and it is supposed to be for laughs, which we'll be doing a lot of. Of course no bad movies. I'm sure we'll understand if we have questions about which ones are suitable and we'll know the answers then too.

3. There is a roller coaster in heaven. Would everyone want to participate in that? I wouldn’t.


I would. God wants us to have fun in Heaven and it is His reward time for His family. These are the ones who forsook the world and chose Him instead. God is getting us out of the box of who we think He is and what we'll be doing. It won't be boring.

Then she says that God can erase anything that he doesn’t like, sort of like a mistake. Does God make mistakes in the creation?
She seemed to surmise this, but I can't picture God making any mistakes either. This doesn't mean the creation lab thing is wrong, we just don't see God making any mistakes.

However, Jesus said not to call people by nicknames. And wouldn’t that character get bored with the African theme eventually?
Where is that found? Their are surnames in the Bible even. Thomas was called "Didymas". It's hard to image getting bored in Heaven at all. After eons, it might be conceivable that we'll reinvent ourself and our desires might change over time. The point is that this man for want of working for God, couldn't do the african thing, so God gave it to him in Heaven. Very sweet of the Lord and God calling him "chief" shows He has a sense of humor!

6. Do angels have wings? According to Kat Kerr, the angels have wings, and some of them ride on the roller coaster. However, in the bible, there is no mention of angels with wings, except for the Cherubs and Seraphs, which are another class of angels.
According to Kat, their are many kinds taking on different forms. It's not a stretch to understand that many do.

9. Kat seems to be encouraging contact/relationships with dead people, which is very much forbidden in the bible.
There is a difference between conjuring the dead by divination and understanding that Heaven is very much a part of our lives down here. This is because they are interested in God's move on the earth. They have everything there except for their families on earth, so it is sweet of the Lord to let them see us and know what is going on. It is good for us to realize that they are still a part of our lives. If God lets them hear our thoughts to them, then He knows what they meant to us and He is good to share that. You could certainly get into a ditch about this and probably some people do (whether or not they know the portal exists). God wants (and our relatives too) our lives to continue without the burden of grief.

11. Kat sees the Father in heaven, and is able to approach the throne. Nobody in the bible got close to that, except maybe Moses.

Our have seen the Ancient of Days and although in the Word, it is a more select few, the NT saints are greater than everyone in the OT (according to Jesus). It stands to reason that others would also be taken and her messages do exactly what she says God said they were for.

God wants us to know Him better and who He is in us. He wants to prepare us for the coming latter rain and baptism in fire. This will enable us to do the greater works and Jesus Himself said this. They are noticable absent, don't you think?

13. Sometimes, Jesus turns up in person to escort people to heaven. However, Jesus is said not to be leaving heaven until the Second Advent.
Jesus can be anywhere at any time. He's the Son of God.
14. People in hell are stuck there until the end of the millennium, and then they are turfed into the lake of fire for ever, after being judged. What’s the point of that?


You might see this as a formality, but it is important to God. Everyone will know everyone's sins at the Great White Throne Judgment. Also, Satan is included here and all the devils who have enjoyed tormenting humans will now receive their just judgment. It's a "second death", so it will doubtlessly contain some greater dread God wants to present. It's a warning to us to abide in Him. I receive it!

15. The people in heaven can’t see her, but she can see them and listen to their conversation. So who is she talking to when she’s up there? An angel, or Jesus?
She speaks to the Spirit of God all of the time.

It seems to me that there’s nothing new in any of these supposed revelations. Heaven is some sort of amusement park. For me this is likely to be some sort of hook, to get people interested, and then drop in some seriously heretical teachings, especially the one about the previous existence.

An amusement park is only one small bit in Heaven. There's many wonderful things to do and knowing this makes our humdrum down here as not to be compared to what's coming. Don't you agree?
I am coming around to this idea of late myself; the evidence indicates that there are no genuine miracles any more, no healings, it is all wishful thinking.


It's for real, and as this outpouring comes forth, those who want God will come running to Him, and those who want to live in sin will go off into darkness. It will be a dividing of the tares from the wheat and no more playing around. Obviously if you see this happening and miracles taking place (even in the media), you won't have questions like these. The important thing for now is to fully repent and find God's plan for you life and do it with all of your heart. When the latter rain gets poured out, if you have a heart for God and want it if it's for real, you will get it.

The mysteries will be solved. It's good not to speak against God's servants, so be careful. I don't recall you doing so, but just a word of warning as many on the forum feel free to do a dropkick on what they don't understand.

As touching the baptism in fire, I have heard over 100 hours of Kat's preaching in the last 4 months and I'm a different person as a result of it. I share about the baptism and the Holy Spirit within seems to rise up to the occasion and I know that it is for real.

I do the "imparting of the anointing" in various places. It was the anointing on some tapes I was converting to mp3 (with headphones on with the sound all the way down) when I was backslidden. The anointing came in my room and the Holy Spirit started to speak to me about my life. Soon after, I dismantled my large music collection (I was in bondage too) and everything else offensive to God that I owned started finding its way to the trash can! Imparting the anointing is a weapon and I could relate other stories too about this.

An excellent book on Heaven is by Richard Sigmund. I bore more fruit reading that book that any other book except the Bible. It will enrich your walk if you can get your mind out of the way and open up your spirit.

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10. Kat says that one time she was transported back to the resurrection scene.
I had a talk with her about this. We talked for about 20 min. She helped me to understand what we read about in the Bible. I asked her about when Jesus said it is finished. My question was about the 500 people that were resurrected at that time. She explained to me about Abrahams Bossom. Then I asked her about the Judgement Throne of God and the Judgement seat of Christ. Also we talked about the lake of fire at the end of the 1,000 year reign of Chrst. There were about five questions I asked her. Some she has already talked about in her books. She said the rest of the information I asked about she will be putting in her third book. I do not know of anyone that could have answered my questions and helped me to understand the way she did. In fact a lot of people get mad at me when I ask questions. She did not get mad at all. She just loved me and helped me to understand. Actually the conversation we had was recorded. So it is on the internet somewhere. It was the last 20 min of a live 2 hour web cast that she did on the radio.
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I do not know of anyone that could have answered my questions and helped me to understand the way she did. In fact a lot of people get mad at me when I ask questions. She did not get mad at all. She just loved me and helped me to understand.
This was your quote!

Actually the conversation we had was recorded. So it is on the internet somewhere. It was the last 20 min of a live 2 hour web cast that she did on the radio.
Cool! That must have been the "Tribulation Now" webcast. It's available on the Internet to listen to. It has about 20 minutes of talk before she comes on, but it's a good listen. Some of the people on that show expect all the bad stuff in the world to be coming down very soon. It's easy to believe that and I used to. However, God has a plan -- His plan, before that stuff happens.

You can email her too. I have a couple of times. If you get an answer, why not post it here on the Net?! People should stop the bitterness though because it seems to oppose the way they understand things. HAVE a teachable spirit and God can open up your thinking to go beyond where you're currently living. We just want to know the truth and there is nothing wrong with asking.

Only a fool believes everything he is told.
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