Home | Be a Christian | Devotionals | Join Us! | Forums | Rules | F.A.Q.


Go Back   Christian Forums > Theology (orthodox Christians only) > Theology (orthodox Christians only) > General Theology
Register BlogsPrayersJobsArcade Calendar Mark Forums Read

General Theology The forum for general theological discussions about issues that do not fit in any other forum, eg. Angelology

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #21  
Old 9th October 2012, 07:39 AM
SQLservant's Avatar
Newbie

Gender: Male Married Faith: Christian Country: United States Member For 2 Years
 
Join Date: 20th December 2011
Posts: 380
Blessings: 119,363
Reps: 79,171,782,729,136,816 (power: 79,171,782,729,139)
SQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond repute
SQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond repute
Perhaps she meant "regretted making man," rather than "repented of, &c." The meaning and implications of that are a wholly separate topic of debate.

However, this is a great illustration of what I'm asking about. We cannot say that our brethren are unregenerate, but where ought the line be drawn concerning unorthodox beliefs? Paul's words of "let him be accursed," and the Councils' use of the same, come to mind. Since we have established that doctrine is a matter of argument, where should one stop and say "I cannot have fellowship with one who teaches this"? And why there rather than elsewhere?
Reply With Quote
Become a CF Site Supporter Today and Make These Ads Go Away!

  #22  
Old 9th October 2012, 09:09 AM
x141's Avatar
...

54 Gender: Male Married Faith: Christian Country: Latvia Member For 2 Years
 
Join Date: 25th September 2011
Location: Where you are ...
Posts: 4,122
Blessings: 1,028,505
Reps: 687,211,893,020,580,864 (power: 687,211,893,020,587)
x141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond repute
x141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by SQLservant View Post
For all my concern over what is true doctrine, and what is the proper response thereto, I've come to a rather hard question:

Does any of it really matter?

Paul wrote to the Corinthians that no one can lay a foundation other than the one that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Whatever one builds on this foundation, they will be saved, whether with a reward or through loss. This looks like it says that so long as Christ is made the sure foundation, no other doctrine really matters. If it doesn't really matter, how can we say that it is wrong to hold to, and how can we be sure that the things we believe or do aren't really the wood, straw, and stubble that Paul speaks of? Why are heresy and schism said to be so terrible if the heretics are still saved in spite of their misconceptions? Is orthodoxy just a nice extra to have, but not really worth worrying about?

How do I answer this? Just how important is the truth, anyway?
If our eye is single, it doesn't matter, it is when it is not single that division begins, firstly in ourselves and then this perception we impose on others who are around us. Some of christ, some of paul, some of peter ...

Even though the holy ghost filled the people that Peter was talking to in
Cornelius' house (before he even finished speaking, gez ... God's got some nerve), he still wanted them to do everything that they had done, so as for it to be right in what they percieved the truth to be at that time.

We must understand that the foundation is the house just as the seed of the woman is the life of the woman, we are all of one, and it is into one that we are being gathered, both within us and through this, with each other.
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 9th October 2012, 09:14 AM
x141's Avatar
...

54 Gender: Male Married Faith: Christian Country: Latvia Member For 2 Years
 
Join Date: 25th September 2011
Location: Where you are ...
Posts: 4,122
Blessings: 1,028,505
Reps: 687,211,893,020,580,864 (power: 687,211,893,020,587)
x141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond repute
x141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by Nova Scotian Boy View Post
Tolerance is not submitting that all doctrines are valid, but that the person you are debating with has the right to be wrong, and you have the right to persuade him otherwise.
This is with the assumption that you are the one that is right.
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 9th October 2012, 09:17 AM
Regular Member

Gender: Male Married Faith: Non-Denominational Member For 1 Years
 
Join Date: 7th October 2012
Posts: 228
Blessings: 14,691
Reps: 4,881,583,675,103,258 (power: 0)
back2thebible has a reputation beyond reputeback2thebible has a reputation beyond reputeback2thebible has a reputation beyond reputeback2thebible has a reputation beyond reputeback2thebible has a reputation beyond reputeback2thebible has a reputation beyond reputeback2thebible has a reputation beyond reputeback2thebible has a reputation beyond reputeback2thebible has a reputation beyond reputeback2thebible has a reputation beyond reputeback2thebible has a reputation beyond reputeback2thebible has a reputation beyond reputeback2thebible has a reputation beyond reputeback2thebible has a reputation beyond reputeback2thebible has a reputation beyond repute
back2thebible has a reputation beyond reputeback2thebible has a reputation beyond reputeback2thebible has a reputation beyond reputeback2thebible has a reputation beyond reputeback2thebible has a reputation beyond reputeback2thebible has a reputation beyond reputeback2thebible has a reputation beyond reputeback2thebible has a reputation beyond reputeback2thebible has a reputation beyond reputeback2thebible has a reputation beyond reputeback2thebible has a reputation beyond reputeback2thebible has a reputation beyond reputeback2thebible has a reputation beyond reputeback2thebible has a reputation beyond reputeback2thebible has a reputation beyond repute
Its always good to stand up for what is true, putting people to death for disagreeing with your doctrine is where you can plainly see who is a part of the body and who is not. In fact I would say the bible teaches its even wrong to discuss doctrine with a person who has no intention or mindset of seeking what is true, you can rebuke such a person, but to continually strive against this person is a waste of productive time
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 9th October 2012, 09:26 AM
SQLservant's Avatar
Newbie

Gender: Male Married Faith: Christian Country: United States Member For 2 Years
 
Join Date: 20th December 2011
Posts: 380
Blessings: 119,363
Reps: 79,171,782,729,136,816 (power: 79,171,782,729,139)
SQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond repute
SQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by x141 View Post
This is with the assumption that you are the one that is right.
Not really; if I am wrong, others have the right to persuade me otherwise as well. And I would rather like them to, if such be the case.
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 9th October 2012, 09:28 AM
x141's Avatar
...

54 Gender: Male Married Faith: Christian Country: Latvia Member For 2 Years
 
Join Date: 25th September 2011
Location: Where you are ...
Posts: 4,122
Blessings: 1,028,505
Reps: 687,211,893,020,580,864 (power: 687,211,893,020,587)
x141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond repute
x141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by Nova Scotian Boy View Post
Yes, your intitled to your belief. That does not you right. In fact I have huge problems with what you just said. Biggest of all is that God repented making humanity. For God to repent means that he sinned, God DOes not sin. If God sinned Christianity is pointless as Christ would be a sinner like God and no propitiation for sin. I can except you believe what you believe but I do not except that it is biblical or Christian. As a reformed Christianity I do not presume that I was the first person to read the bible, there is 2000 years of Christians before me and all the men capable of area it's uncharitable to think in there collective godly wisdom that they got nothing right. Before I'm judged for being judgmental although I think your in error I do not know you and cannot say you are unregenerate.
It is in the third day that he rasies us up to see as he sees ... I'm sure the ones that followed the pharisees teachings thought much the same about them as well.

Jesus said, the one who leads you, personally, into all truth, is in you.

Rom 10:6-8 But the righteousness (he is our righteousness) which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 9th October 2012, 09:31 AM
x141's Avatar
...

54 Gender: Male Married Faith: Christian Country: Latvia Member For 2 Years
 
Join Date: 25th September 2011
Location: Where you are ...
Posts: 4,122
Blessings: 1,028,505
Reps: 687,211,893,020,580,864 (power: 687,211,893,020,587)
x141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond repute
x141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by SQLservant View Post
Not really; if I am wrong, others have the right to persuade me otherwise as well. And I would rather like them to, if such be the case.
If you ever pastor a church, you will find it is not what you speak that changes people, but what he speaks in them.

Joh 4:42 And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.

Job 42:5-6 I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee. Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes.

Last edited by x141; 9th October 2012 at 02:50 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 9th October 2012, 10:28 AM
SQLservant's Avatar
Newbie

Gender: Male Married Faith: Christian Country: United States Member For 2 Years
 
Join Date: 20th December 2011
Posts: 380
Blessings: 119,363
Reps: 79,171,782,729,136,816 (power: 79,171,782,729,139)
SQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond repute
SQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond reputeSQLservant has a reputation beyond repute
Where do you read "personally" in there? No one before the Radical Reformation, maybe even before Pietism or the Restoration Movement or the Charismatic Movement, saw that as "The Holy Spirit will guide each and every one of you, individually, into all truth." If that's the case, why do we have a Bible? Or a Church? Why teach? Why did Paul write his epistles, if the Holy Spirit would just take care of all those problem believers? Most importantly, why did everyone forget that for 16 to 19 centuries?
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 9th October 2012, 02:15 PM
x141's Avatar
...

54 Gender: Male Married Faith: Christian Country: Latvia Member For 2 Years
 
Join Date: 25th September 2011
Location: Where you are ...
Posts: 4,122
Blessings: 1,028,505
Reps: 687,211,893,020,580,864 (power: 687,211,893,020,587)
x141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond repute
x141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond reputex141 has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by SQLservant View Post
Where do you read "personally" in there? No one before the Radical Reformation, maybe even before Pietism or the Restoration Movement or the Charismatic Movement, saw that as "The Holy Spirit will guide each and every one of you, individually, into all truth." If that's the case, why do we have a Bible? Or a Church? Why teach? Why did Paul write his epistles, if the Holy Spirit would just take care of all those problem believers? Most importantly, why did everyone forget that for 16 to 19 centuries?
Enoch had no Bible ... but neither did Moses and everyone else who came before Moses. Abraham is the father of faith, or so they call him, but the word of the Lord was revealed to him, Jesus saying He saw my Day or his light, much like Samuel.

Joh_14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

1Jn_2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

Joh_14:20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

Joh_16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

If you do a whole Bible study on the gifts given and whom they were given to which tie closely to the feasts, specifically the one Peter mentioned and how he mentioned it, and allow the spirit to open it to you, then you will see how they forgot who they were, and became contaray to themselves.

The increase of this kingdom in you or the entering into this all truth has no end or measurement other than the measure we bring to it with our soul, which we are supposed to lose to gain, this is the walk and the pattern Jesus laid out for us, and the pattern in the garden from the beginning.

Last edited by x141; 9th October 2012 at 02:53 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 9th October 2012, 05:14 PM
ViaCrucis's Avatar
Wittenberg Catholic

Gender: Male Faith: Lutheran Party: US-Green Country: United Nations Member For 2 Years
 
Join Date: 2nd October 2011
Posts: 10,355
Blessings: 22,659,805
Reps: 2,179,838,405,693,683,456 (power: 2,179,838,405,693,696)
ViaCrucis has disabled reputation
Having all our theological t's and i's rightly crossed and dotted never saved anyone.

However, what we think about God matters, and makes all the difference in how we try to apply faith to our life. If I think God is a cruel tyrant waiting in earnest to find an excuse to smite everyone, then that's going to reflect on how I walk around on planet earth and respond to my neighbor. And it's not going to look very Christlike either.

-CryptoLutheran
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Reply With Quote
Reply


Return to General Theology

Thread Tools
Display Modes


 
Become a CF Site Supporter Today and Make These Ads Go Away!


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:32 AM.