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Global Warming: Yes, but not from human activity. Geothermal warming is warming the seas as underground volcanic activity increases. If it were human activity, then please explain why the ice in Antarctica is increasing while that in the Arctic is decreasing?

I have been looking at various scientific websites, like the government weather sites, and have found that there is a whole string of new volcanic islands being generated.
When new volcanoes form on the ocean bottom, there is an increase in gases produced, which not only warms the oceans, but also the atmosphere. The increase in severe weather is also caused by an increase in the volume of water in our atmosphere. With a shift in the jet stream, we have areas that are being flooded and areas that are suffering drought.

Back to our situation living in the South: We are burning up, all my tomatoes and potatoes died due to the intense solar radiation. I have never seen this before.

We are in a SOLAR MAXIMUM during 2012-2014. We have experienced X-FLARES from the sun. With the solar flares coming at us from the active sunspots, yes, we are being affected and so is our vegetation. All around me, I see plants dying, not from lack of water, but from their leaves being singed by the solar radiation.

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Originally Posted by MariaRegina View Post
ice in Antarctica is increasing
Indeed. And the pictures that we see of ice breaking off into the water in Antarctica is due to the ice growing and getting too large and breaking off due to its own weight, not due to melting.
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Originally Posted by knee-v View Post
Indeed. And the pictures that we see of ice breaking off into the water in Antarctica is due to the ice growing and getting too large and breaking off due to its own weight, not due to melting.
I'm not 100% sure that's true. My older sister went on a couple different expeditions down to Antarctica in the early 2000's, I'll double check my facts but I think she told me that global warming was indeed having an impact on the amount of ice down there... So I'll get back to everyone on that.
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That's interesting !
I went hunting, and found this fwiw:
Scientists have thought a lot about this question.

Unlike the Arctic, Antarctica is surrounding by water, so its less responsive to changes in air temperatures. Its climate is more governed by wind and ocean currents. Paradoxically, the ozone hole also may play a role in keeping Antarctica cool, scientists say.

Interestingly, climate models have generally predicted that Antarctic sea ice won’t change much in the coming decades, before eventually losing mass.

Only recently have scientists begun to understand why, in part due to research by Judith Curry among other. In a 2010 paper (see abstract) in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, Curry said the answer is tied up in a combination of natural variability and global warming. (By the way, skeptics, before you dismiss Curry you’d do well to understand that she’s a harsh critic of the IPCC.)

Here’s a deeper explanation of what she found, based upon an interview I conducted with her:

So give me a non-sound bite answer.

Sea ice can melt from both above and below, either heating from the ocean below or the atmosphere above. In the case of the Arctic most of the melting is driven from the warmer atmosphere above. In the Antarctic most of the melting has been driven from the ocean below. What our study has identified is that there’s been increased precipitation over the last few decades that has freshened the upper ocean, which makes it more stable so the heat below doesn’t make it up to the sea ice to melt it.

Freshens the upper ocean?

It decreases the saltiness. When you have a fresh layer on top that’s less dense it acts as a barrier to prevent the mixing of warmer water from below. It insulates the ice to some extent. We’ve also seen a big role of natural variability, over the past 30 years or so the dominant climate signal has been from the Antarctic Oscillation rather than from global warming. The net effect of all this has been an increase in precipitation, mostly snow. This diminishes the melting both from below and above. It stops the melting from above because snow has a higher albedo and reflects more sunlight.

At some point does this result in a net loss of ice rather than gains?

What happens in the 21st century projections is that the global warming signal begins to dominate. We still have the freshening of the upper ocean, but the upper ocean is getting warmer because of a warmer atmosphere. And the precipitation starts to fall more as rain than snow. Rain falling on ice speeds the melting from above.

The bottom line is that scientists generally have predicted that the Antarctic sea ice will not begin substantially melting until the second half of this century.
Does the expanding Antarctic sea ice disprove global warming? | SciGuy | a Chron.com blog
And this, from NASA:


NASA - Is Antarctica Melting?
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I do believe in Global Warming...and the principal culprit behind it walks on two legs and isn't a primate
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I do believe in Global Warming...and the principal culprit behind it walks on two legs and isn't a primate
Wonder who it migh be then, since homo sapiens are in the order primate.
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That's interesting !
I went hunting, and found this fwiw:


And this, from NASA:


NASA - Is Antarctica Melting?
Very interesting info. Thanks for sharing it.
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I didn't want to get into a debate in any way, but I just wanted to note that the Antarctic sea ice maximum was the maximum for a a single day in recorded history and was for sea ice only. The order of magnitude of the maximum was a minor blip (whereas the arctic minimum was a global minimum and was significantly below any previous observation). The forces governing Antarctic sea ice are a bit more complicated than those governing the Arctic (which are already fairly complex!) because, for one thing, the sea ice is coming off of the large Antarctic land mass which is covered up to two miles thick with ice, whereas there is no land mass at the North Pole. While sea ice extent alone is a pretty decent proxy for what's going on in the Arctic, it is far less informative when you look at Antarctica. As somebody pointed out, Antarctica is losing a lot of mass in its ice sheets. This is far more important, and it's far more consistent. As for the rest, sure, believe what you like.
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I do believe in Global Warming...and the principal culprit behind it walks on two legs and isn't a primate
What about solar warming due to our sun and to our position in the galaxy and universe? The Mayans were quite advanced and their predictions quite accurate. We are in a different area of the universe where there is more intense radiation. With our sun undergoing this intense SOLAR MAXIMUM, we are seeing M-Flares and X-Flares that is causing intense radiation upon the earth.

To blame global warming solely on humans is ludicrous. The sun and our position in the universe are playing a major role. In addition, our earth is acting weird with the formation of new volcanoes under the ocean causing global warming from all the venting. Scientists cannot do much about stopping volcanic activity. Look at the Hawaiian volcano! It is much more active this year than last. Look at all the earthquakes in the Rim of Fire in the Pacific Basin. Seismic activity has been increasing as the magma rises to the surface. We are due for several big earthquakes.

Could there be a link between increasing seismic activity and solar maximums? According to Jim Berkland, there is a correlation between high tides, the moon, and earthquakes. SyzygyJob - Home
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There is indication that increased seismic activity is the result of global warming:
Seismic activity linked to global warming - ClimateDebateDaily.Org
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