Do Christians still sin?

Can a Christian still sin?
And still be a Christian?

And post scripture that supports your answer please.

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Bible verses that I would like to see explained by a mortalist:

Revelations 20:14
Daniel 12:2
Revelations 14:10-11

Let's put it this way:

The vast majority of the New Testament was addressed to followers of Jesus. All of Paul's letters, etc.

Would it make any sense to tell Christians not to do things, to stop doing certain things, or to be obedient to Jesus if they weren't messing up, or had the potential to mess up?

The entire scope of the New Testament, as far as where it offers us instruction for daily living, is all about telling us to avoid sin and that when we do sin there is forgiveness in Christ.

-CryptoLutheran

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Originally Posted by ssammoh

Can a Christian still sin?
And still be a Christian?

And post scripture that supports your answer please.

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us (1 John 1:9-10)

Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law. The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,” and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law. (Romans 13:8-10)

Matthew 18
21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.
23 Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king, which would take account of his servants.
24 And when he had begun to reckon, one was brought unto him, which owed him ten thousand talents.
25 But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made.
26 The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.
27 Then the lord of that servant was moved with compassion, and loosed him, and forgave him the debt.
28 But the same servant went out, and found one of his fellowservants, which owed him an hundred pence: and he laid hands on him, and took him by the throat, saying, Pay me that thou owest.
29 And his fellowservant fell down at his feet, and besought him, saying, Have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.
30 And he would not: but went and cast him into prison, till he should pay the debt.
31 So when his fellowservants saw what was done, they were very sorry, and came and told unto their lord all that was done.
32 Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me:
33 Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?
34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.
35 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.

For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment (James 2:13)

For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. (Romans 5:13)

But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead. (Romans 7:8)

For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.(Romans 7:9)

(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them.) This will take place on the day when God will judge men’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares. (Romans 2:14-16)


But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law (Galatians 5:22-23)

God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God. (2nd Corinthians 5:21) Wilt thou also disannul my judgment? wilt thou condemn me, that thou mayest be righteous? (Job 40:8)

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"whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law."
(Romans 13:9-10)

"Anything that does not come from faith is sin" (Romans 14:23)

"The only thing that matters is faith expressing itself through love" (Galatians 5:6)

God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them. This is how love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment: because in this world we are like him. There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love. (1 John 4:16-18)

-Michael Collum

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refer to post #3 for my scripture references.

In the past tense we have sinned. to say we have never sinned is to call Jesus a liar. Because he became sin so that we might become the righteousness of God.

Where people might think there is no sin anymore .. is in the sense that the law no longer has power over us .. so that sin .. in that sense .. would be dead .. if we'd stop using law that way.

The only sins (i.e. missing the mark) spoken of in the new covenant over and above what the law was, in this concept of freedom. in that our debts are paid off. but if we were to say (by example of the parable i quoted above) not forgive another, then we would then be subject to our old debt. In the same way, if we oblige ourselves to the law .. or even a law unto ourselves .. we are judged by this law or the law of our own conscience or the tradition we may have bound ourselves to and thus again being bound to something that "revives sin".

Being free .. means staying free. We are not just saved by grace .. this is the premise by which we live move and have our being.

So we no longer bear the weight of the debt of the law, the only debt that remains is to love one another. which comes with a basic principle, don't hurt anybody, as this is the summary of all and any commandments that could ever exist and have existed.

So yes, Christians can "still sin" in that they go back into the Egypt of the law or a law of their own conscience .. or they can sin in a different way by not loving, not forgiving etc. the fruit of the spirit, against such there is no law .. but if it is not present .. then against such .. the law of conscience, in which you face yourself, your own personal hell until you can pay off the debt (which means never) .. or snap out of it .. and judge with mercy once again.

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"whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law."
(Romans 13:9-10)

"Anything that does not come from faith is sin" (Romans 14:23)

"The only thing that matters is faith expressing itself through love" (Galatians 5:6)

God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them. This is how love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment: because in this world we are like him. There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love. (1 John 4:16-18)

-Michael Collum

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I think the better question is how long do you average between your sins?

Me? Maybe 10 minutes?

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I really don't know, but I'd say I catch myself starting to think about sin and evil more often when I'm full of doubt.

reminds me of ..

Originally Posted by Jeffwhosoever

I think the better question is how long do you average between your sins?

Me? Maybe 10 minutes?

So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good.
Did that which is good, then, become death to me? By no means!

Nevertheless, in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it used what is good to bring about my death, so that through the commandment sin might become utterly sinful.

We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me.

For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out.

For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it. (Romans 7:12-20)

Originally Posted by Nanopants

I really don't know, but I'd say I catch myself starting to think about sin and evil more often when I'm full of doubt.

everything that does not come from faith is sin. (Romans 14:23)

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"whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law."
(Romans 13:9-10)

"Anything that does not come from faith is sin" (Romans 14:23)

"The only thing that matters is faith expressing itself through love" (Galatians 5:6)

God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them. This is how love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment: because in this world we are like him. There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love. (1 John 4:16-18)

-Michael Collum

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Simul iustus et peccator.

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yes, a christian can sin and still be a christian.

becoming a christian is like being born "again", in the sense that, your mindset is toward God and not toward self because you have repented (acts 2:38).

it means we are on Jesus' level that we can get direct help from God (gal 2:20, 1tim 2:5!)

the christian is to walk in the ways of God, and overcome temptation.

God gives us this help through his Spirit (rom 8:9)! so, we must overcome our temptations and the temptations of the world.

like Jesus said:

John 16:33(NKJV)
33These things I have spoken to you, that in Me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation; but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world.”

Jesus set the example we are to follow. He overcame the temptations in His life.


Romans 12:21(NKJV)
12Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.


we are to do the same (1jn 5:5, rev 2:11,17,26, rev 3:5,12,21, rev 21:7)!

we will slip along the way, however, we have a Mediator (again 1tim 2:5).

Originally Posted by Tangible

Simul iustus et peccator.

oh like the sin within me that sins. it does sound like concupidscience.

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"whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law."
(Romans 13:9-10)

"Anything that does not come from faith is sin" (Romans 14:23)

"The only thing that matters is faith expressing itself through love" (Galatians 5:6)

God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them. This is how love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment: because in this world we are like him. There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love. (1 John 4:16-18)

-Michael Collum

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