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22nd September 2012, 10:08 PM
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1) 666
2) 666
I do not see a difference in these two examples, can you?
To ignore the fact that the two numerical anomilies share something in common, (namely appearance), and to shrug it off as merely 'a coincidence' is typical of a skeptic, can anyone point out a Scripture that would recommend skeptism?
Interpretation belongs to the eye of the beholder, and whether or not it is accurate in our eyes, it is not comely for us to ridicule another because they do not readily agree with us.
The Mark of the beast happens to be a Mark ',:8)
which by definition means a sign or indication.
Well, can a string of 3 sixs be an indication of the numerical value six hundred and sixty six? of course it can, and in fact it does represent that numerical value for many if not most English speaking people.
How many of you out there acknowledge and recognize the number 18 (יח) as a symbol for life? and how many of you avoid writing the # 15 with the yowd he' because it is an indication of The Name? but have no problem accepting teth (9) and vawv (6) as the # 18! in gemetria these are still indicative to one another, consequently you are mingling what is considered by many to be a legitimate science (i .e. gemetria) with superstition.
Many times I've heard the term 'that's just a coincidence', as if to say 'that is not pertinent here', yet the word 'coincidence' originally and literally pertains to 'coinciding events', which is one of the primary tools used to ascertain scientific facts, and used to make accurate scriptural deduction, or is that just a coincidence? 80) the context of 'coincidence' in the phrase 'Oh that's just a coincidence' is indeed an oxymoron.
Matthew 18:16
But if he will not hear you, then take with you one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
Matthew 18:20
For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
Having said all that, the question should be, Is there a second or third witness to suggest/indicate that the W(orld)W(ide)W(eb) is to be perceived as being the Beast or bearing the mark of the beast? i.e., does the WWW hold a monopoly on buying and selling? Is the WWW in some way a mark perceived to be on one's forehead and hand? does one die in some kind of way for not accepting the WWW? does the WWW have anything to do with images animating and speaking?
You would think someone with a scriptural based faith would be satisfied with just 2 or 3 indicators, but a skeptic is the most difficult person to satisfy or convince, for all they need is one piece of evidence to refute a matter.
There are three things (I feel are grossly) overlooked when I see someone dicussing The Mark of the Beast, and a fourth variable worthy of consideration...
1) the Mark is not just a number it is also a name, and the Greek letters χξς which are used to translate 'six hundred and sixty six' happens to transliterate 'KhKsS' which can be punctuated to pronounce Coxs, or Caucasus, both which are used as names.
2) The third letter of this alpha-numeric symbol (ς) whose name is 'stigma' (is currently obsolete from the Greek alphabet, those who do not believe in accidents, coincidences, or mistakes may want to factor that in some way, i.e., Caucuses now appears to pronounce Caucus); a stigma is a Mark of reproach, and feel this is a crucial factor concerning The Mark of the beast, remember the Scripture says that the beast that was, is not, nevertheless is yet to come, I interpret this as, the beast that was, is no beast at all, but a stigmatic perspective of who is actually being referred to, just as the Accademic World in Yeshua's day accused the The Master of the house of being 'Beelzebub'.
3) Biblically speaking, the concept for 'buying and selling' is related to the concept of 'interpretation' via the Hebrew word 'ShBR' which is translated either way depending on the context, if you subscribe to the underlying tenants of gemetria, then you may see them as being interchangable.
4) if you can accept the fact that a string of 3 sixs equal the numerical value of six hundred and sixty six, (at least in English), then you may want to consider the fact that 666 (mathematically) also pertains to 2/3rds, and that 333 pertains to 1/3rd, and 999 pertains to one (whole), hence the 1/3 of the stars in heaven being swept by the tail of the dragon (in chapter 12) I believe are 1/3 of the earth's inhabitants who after resurrection will be carried away by the testimony of Elijah, and drawn to a mountain burning with fire being cast into the sea (Rev. 8:08), for the Hebrew word for Elijah lit. means 'rump' or 'tail' (when translated elsewhere), these 1/3rd (I believe) refuse to buy the stigma attributed to the entity whose seven heads are 7 mountains rising out of the sea, hence I believe the 7 mountains are 7 continents thus the Red/A'DaMaH Dragon is a stigmatic view of the Earth/a'DaMaH who is not only a Rock & Consuming fire, but whose throne is also heaven/the atmosphere it's self, etc., etc., etc.
Therefore I am (as others) Leary of the accademic community (among others) esp. those who feel they hold a monopoly on accurate scriptural translation or interpretation. | 
22nd September 2012, 10:48 PM
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Reps: 1,802,969,756,506,914,304 (power: 1,802,969,756,506,932) | | | Scriptures say that it is a name title for a man and that nation. [Beast being a nation.] So what needs to be found is a nation whose name title equals six-hundred and sixty-six, and a man of that nation who has a name title that also equals six-hundred and sixty-six. Another clue is that fact that the man and nation has to do with religion. And another clue is the fact that the nation is notably small. There's your clues!
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23rd September 2012, 12:18 AM
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Reps: 2,880,651,937,198,485,504 (power: 2,880,651,937,198,501) | | Originally Posted by Laureate Let me see if you can tell which of the following examples represents the numerical value of six hundred and sixty six, and which one represents a string of six's
1) 666
2) 666
I do not see a difference in these two examples, can you?
I do see a difference; people are going to read both as six hundred sixty six.
If one wants to string a bunch of sixes together, they
are going to make a division between them some how, i.e.
6,6,6 or 6-6-6.
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23rd September 2012, 12:46 AM
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Reps: 1,992,683,950,524,500,224 (power: 1,992,683,950,524,518) | | Originally Posted by Laureate Let me see if you can tell which of the following examples represents the numerical value of six hundred and sixty six, and which one represents a string of six's
1) 666
2) 666
I do not see a difference in these two examples, can you?
To ignore the fact that the two numerical anomilies share something in common, (namely appearance), and to shrug it off as merely 'a coincidence' is typical of a skeptic, can anyone point out a Scripture that would recommend skeptism?
Interpretation belongs to the eye of the beholder, and whether or not it is accurate in our eyes, it is not comely for us to ridicule another because they do not readily agree with us.
The Mark of the beast happens to be a Mark ',:8)
which by definition means a sign or indication.
Well, can a string of 3 sixs be an indication of the numerical value six hundred and sixty six? of course it can, and in fact it does represent that numerical value for many if not most English speaking people.
How many of you out there acknowledge and recognize the number 18 (יח) as a symbol for life? and how many of you avoid writing the # 15 with the yowd he' because it is an indication of The Name? but have no problem accepting teth (9) and vawv (6) as the # 18! in gemetria these are still indicative to one another, consequently you are mingling what is considered by many to be a legitimate science (i .e. gemetria) with superstition.
Many times I've heard the term 'that's just a coincidence', as if to say 'that is not pertinent here', yet the word 'coincidence' originally and literally pertains to 'coinciding events', which is one of the primary tools used to ascertain scientific facts, and used to make accurate scriptural deduction, or is that just a coincidence? 80) the context of 'coincidence' in the phrase 'Oh that's just a coincidence' is indeed an oxymoron.
Matthew 18:16
But if he will not hear you, then take with you one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
Matthew 18:20
For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
Having said all that, the question should be, Is there a second or third witness to suggest/indicate that the W(orld)W(ide)W(eb) is to be perceived as being the Beast or bearing the mark of the beast? i.e., does the WWW hold a monopoly on buying and selling? Is the WWW in some way a mark perceived to be on one's forehead and hand? does one die in some kind of way for not accepting the WWW? does the WWW have anything to do with images animating and speaking?
You would think someone with a scriptural based faith would be satisfied with just 2 or 3 indicators, but a skeptic is the most difficult person to satisfy or convince, for all they need is one piece of evidence to refute a matter.
There are three things (I feel are grossly) overlooked when I see someone dicussing The Mark of the Beast, and a fourth variable worthy of consideration...
1) the Mark is not just a number it is also a name, and the Greek letters χξς which are used to translate 'six hundred and sixty six' happens to transliterate 'KhKsS' which can be punctuated to pronounce Coxs, or Caucasus, both which are used as names.
2) The third letter of this alpha-numeric symbol (ς) whose name is 'stigma' (is currently obsolete from the Greek alphabet, those who do not believe in accidents, coincidences, or mistakes may want to factor that in some way, i.e., Caucuses now appears to pronounce Caucus); a stigma is a Mark of reproach, and feel this is a crucial factor concerning The Mark of the beast, remember the Scripture says that the beast that was, is not, nevertheless is yet to come, I interpret this as, the beast that was, is no beast at all, but a stigmatic perspective of who is actually being referred to, just as the Accademic World in Yeshua's day accused the The Master of the house of being 'Beelzebub'.
3) Biblically speaking, the concept for 'buying and selling' is related to the concept of 'interpretation' via the Hebrew word 'ShBR' which is translated either way depending on the context, if you subscribe to the underlying tenants of gemetria, then you may see them as being interchangable.
4) if you can accept the fact that a string of 3 sixs equal the numerical value of six hundred and sixty six, (at least in English), then you may want to consider the fact that 666 (mathematically) also pertains to 2/3rds, and that 333 pertains to 1/3rd, and 999 pertains to one (whole), hence the 1/3 of the stars in heaven being swept by the tail of the dragon (in chapter 12) I believe are 1/3 of the earth's inhabitants who after resurrection will be carried away by the testimony of Elijah, and drawn to a mountain burning with fire being cast into the sea (Rev. 8:08), for the Hebrew word for Elijah lit. means 'rump' or 'tail' (when translated elsewhere), these 1/3rd (I believe) refuse to buy the stigma attributed to the entity whose seven heads are 7 mountains rising out of the sea, hence I believe the 7 mountains are 7 continents thus the Red/A'DaMaH Dragon is a stigmatic view of the Earth/a'DaMaH who is not only a Rock & Consuming fire, but whose throne is also heaven/the atmosphere it's self, etc., etc., etc.
Therefore I am (as others) Leary of the accademic community (among others) esp. those who feel they hold a monopoly on accurate scriptural translation or interpretation.
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23rd September 2012, 12:46 AM
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Reps: 69,469,445,185,848,848 (power: 0) | | | i thought it is the number of "A" (singular ) man .
What the "mark" is exactly ? who knows - its not 666 though. that's the number of the man -it seems a man that appears to die and live again .. a false messiah (a counterfeit incarnate being perhaps). A mark which makes it so a person can not buy or sell - sounds like electronics to me.
rfi chip ? not alone - but possibly integrated
flexible tattooed on circuitry- not alone but integrated
banking chip like in smart cards - not alone but integrated
all three together in some new (or not so new nano technology ? Very likely .
hey here is a side like question - I have never heard any one make (clear)sense of when our Lord Yeshua said - if your right hand offends you cut it off ,if your right eye offends you pluck it out ....?
could it be ..?.maybe ..? possibly ..?. when a person has (beyond their will or power to stop it ..the mark of the beast applied to their body (maybe they were unconscious ) - that this is what he was speaking of all along ? | 
23rd September 2012, 12:51 AM
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I'm confused, he has a Messianic icon. He shouldn't be posting here?
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23rd September 2012, 03:03 AM
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Reps: 1,802,969,756,506,914,304 (power: 1,802,969,756,506,932) | | Originally Posted by Michaelismyname i thought it is the number of "A" (singular ) man .
What the "mark" is exactly ? who knows - its not 666 though. that's the number of the man -it seems a man that appears to die and live again .. a false messiah (a counterfeit incarnate being perhaps). A mark which makes it so a person can not buy or sell - sounds like electronics to me.
rfi chip ? not alone - but possibly integrated
flexible tattooed on circuitry- not alone but integrated
banking chip like in smart cards - not alone but integrated
all three together in some new (or not so new nano technology ? Very likely .
hey here is a side like question - I have never heard any one make (clear)sense of when our Lord Yeshua said - if your right hand offends you cut it off ,if your right eye offends you pluck it out ....?
could it be ..?.maybe ..? possibly ..?. when a person has (beyond their will or power to stop it ..the mark of the beast applied to their body (maybe they were unconscious ) - that this is what he was speaking of all along ? In the past the Catholics had a policy of not buying, selling, or trading with Judaizing Christians. That came to a stop in 1798 AD when Nepoleon threw the Pope in prison where he died. At that time no-one thought that the Catholic Church would ever rise to power again. Anyway, the mark in our head and on our right hand is symbolic of what we think and do.
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23rd September 2012, 03:07 AM
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“Write, therefore, what you have seen, what is now and what will take place later. The mystery of the Seven Stars that you saw in my right hand and of the Seven Golden Lampsticks is this: The Seven Stars are the messengers of the Seven Congregations, and the Seven Lampsticks are the Seven Congregations. Truth is made known by reason of the facts. | 
23rd September 2012, 03:28 AM
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Reps: 130,702,327,162,085,184 (power: 130,702,327,162,087) | | Originally Posted by ChavaK I'm confused, he has a Messianic icon. He shouldn't be posting here?
I believe the senior member means, what am I doing posting within his box, apparently I'm thinking outside of it, if he was referring to this Messianic forum he would have specified, by pointing out a Messianic discrepancy of some kind.
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23rd September 2012, 04:17 AM
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Reps: 980,178,585,554,222,336 (power: 980,178,585,554,226) | | Originally Posted by Michaelismyname i thought it is the number of "A" (singular ) man . What the "mark" is exactly ? who knows - its not 666 though. that's the number of the man -it seems a man that appears to die and live again .. a false messiah (a counterfeit incarnate being perhaps). A mark which makes it so a person can not buy or sell - sounds like electronics to me. rfi chip ? not alone - but possibly integrated flexible tattooed on circuitry- not alone but integrated
banking chip like in smart cards - not alone but integrated
all three together in some new (or not so new nano technology ? Very likely .
hey here is a side like question - I have never heard any one make (clear)sense of when our Lord Yeshua said - if your right hand offends you cut it off ,if your right eye offends you pluck it out ....?
could it be ..?.maybe ..? possibly ..?. when a person has (beyond their will or power to stop it ..the mark of the beast applied to their body (maybe they were unconscious ) - that this is what he was speaking of all along ?
This is a real rave from the grave!
I remember these things as some sort of future possibility about 40 years ago - but it's always good for heated debate as new generations rise. All sorts of people and nations have been suggested as the 666 referred to in The Book, including a few American Presidents and particularly those world leaders who had 3 names of 6 six letters each! We had debates about numbers tattooed on hands, forearms, forehead, implanted micro-chips, micro-chipped ID cards that could be revokewd at any time and you become a non-person, etc., if you have no identification then it's no sale for anything - foodstuffs, consumables, transport or anything else for that matter.
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