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Old 21st September 2012, 12:34 AM
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Originally Posted by ptomwebster View Post
Why on earth would I want to read any more of your junk.
I grew up thinking that sex was basically wrong. I thought that God was up there and above my wrongful human existence. For me, he would quickly destroy me because of my sins (He really should have, even I would have wanted it that way). I did not have a personal relationship with the Father. Now, I can understand why Jesus Christ could have been married and still been the Son of God and Messiah. Time has changed me to understand the power of God, even over our fleshly existence. Yes, he could have been a husband and earthly Dad while here. Neither is sinful or wrong. Both would support the idea of coming in the flesh and would make a very powerful statement, had it not been that we are not allowed to consider this because of such things as the Christendom's Trinity theology.

The more human Jesus is the more he came in the flesh to the Earth, yet he is righteous and the Son of God, without blemish. How could our ancestors obeyed the commands of God to offer a lamb without blemish if there were no such animals on the Earth. Whether Jesus was married of not, he was without sin and perfect, as our ancestors were able to offer up their Earthly lambs to God, so has he offered up to us his son in the flesh, perfect without a blemish. Is marriage a blemish or sin in one's life? Why is it considered holy and acceptable to God? How could Christians be saved, if they remained married after accepting Christ, while they thought it was sinful to be so?

Sorry to anger you. I know well how you feel. I didn't post here to upset people, but to get them to realize the power of God and of the Holy Spirit through His son, Jesus Christ, to live amongst us and still not sin, even within a marriage. I know the power of God to love someone as ugly as I have been in my life. It is easy for me to realize his power through his son to live amongst us, even as us, but not of us. Then I would understand also his depth of knowledge of us as human beings in the flesh. Please don't take offense of me. Do you understand what I am trying to say or put across?
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Old 21st September 2012, 01:18 AM
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...Sorry to anger you. ...

No anger, just wondered why you thought I would want to read you blog.
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Originally Posted by Life2Christ View Post
Nor was it written in ancient Hewbrew or Greek but in coptic Egyptian. I say NEXT! More gnostic mumbo jumbo.
There's nothing Gnostic in the text.

Gnostics were at many times quite hostile toward marriage and even more so toward sexual reproduction. Many Gnostic sects were hyper-ascetic, due to their belief in the the body being the creation of a malicious deity.

The simple fact of the matter is that the text doesn't even say Jesus was married. It simply has one line in which it reads, "And Jesus said, 'My wife...'".

As Jon Stewart joked last night on the Daily Show, it could just as easily be, "My wife? No, I'm not married."

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Hi achilles,

Consider carefully Jesus' words. "Will the Son of Man find faith upon the earth when he returns?" I get from this a warning that as we move inexorably closer to the end, true faith, the faith that is backed by the indwelling Holy Spirit of God, is going to be harder and harder to find. If that is the intent of Jesus' warning, then all these things must come. For each one, Jesus being married, Jesus having children, evolution the 'findings of truth' among the Jesus Seminar each chip away a few more who might have found the truth.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted
I definitely agree with your points, Ted. The world is convinced at this point that the Bible is false. At present, it's going to take some sort of divine intervention to convince them otherwise (see the two witnesses).
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Lessons from the Jesus 'wife' story | Fox News

A small ancient Coptic papyrus fragment was major news this week. And if you followed any of the reports on the fragment you might have become convinced that there is new evidence that Jesus was married. Based on the reporting, you might also believe that this news should make Catholics and other Christians who believe in the Bible very nervous.

There are two problems with this line of thinking. First, proof of a married Jesus wouldn't make most Catholics and Christians nervous. Second, the evidence just isn't there that Jesus was ever married.

Christians have no reason to be scandalized by the thought of a married Jesus because there is nothing in Christian theology that would eliminate the possibility. Jesus was pro-woman and pro-marriage. He attended weddings and even did his first miracle at a wedding feast by turning water into wine. When asked about marriage and about men who wanted to divorce their wives, Jesus defended the marriage bond with no equivocation: "what God has joined, men shall not divide."
If Jesus chose not to marry--and the body of evidence, beginning with all of the Gospels and two thousand years of tradition, points overwhelmingly in that direction--it was only because he chose to give up something wonderful for the sake of his divine mission.

Furthermore, Christians would have no reason to be nervous because proof of a married Jesus wouldn't change the practice of the Church in any way. The Church has learned from Jesus to treat women as equals to men in dignity and worth. Jesus was unafraid to break social norms to make sure all cultures, of all times, would understand this truth. He involved women in his ministry. He traveled with them.He had female friends. He honored his mother publicly. He invited women to be his disciples. And on the day of his Resurrection from the dead, he chose to appear first to several women even before he appeared to his twelve male apostles.

But if your source for information about the "married Jesus" was the New York Times, or the many other news sources that copied their line of fallacious reasoning, you probably think that one Harvard Divinity School professor's presentation in Rome, of what might be Coptic script on a piece of ancient papyrus the size of a business card, might indicate someone in the mid- Fourth century wrote about Jesus's "wife"...should not only alter the role of women in the Catholic Church but should also change the way we all view contemporary debates about marriage.

Here's just one of the statement made by the Times in reporting on the fragment: "Even with many questions unsettled, the discovery could reignite the debate over whether Jesus was married, whether Mary Magdalene was his wife and whether he had a female disciple. These debates date to the early centuries of Christianity, scholars say. But they are relevant today, when global Christianity is roiling over the place of women in ministry and the boundaries of marriage."

Really? Just as we have established that Jesus was willing to break social norms, it's equally evident in the Bible that Jesus recognized the real and beautiful differences between men and women, and their complimentary roles in the Church.

The Catholic Church's two thousand year-old tradition of a male-only priesthood is rooted in a determination to imitate Jesus' will as we see it in the Gospel. Jesus was a man and he chose twelve men by name to be his Apostles (the first priests and bishops). While there have been other leadership positions in the Church besides priesthood (and, in my opinion, there should be many more both locally and in the Vatican) Jesus called twelve men and their successors to serve the Church as spiritual fathers. The Church does not have the authority to reinvent history.

More mysterious still is the Times' unsubstantiated statement that an unauthenticated scrap of papyrus that refers to a married Jesus is relevant to global Christianity's "roiling over the boundaries of marriage." This is relevant but the Ten Commandments are not? This supposed Fourth century author should be considered a theological game-changer, but the writings of St. Paul and the Gospel accounts should be dismissed?
I read the Times regularly. While on most occasions, the paper's editors dismiss religious faith and arguments as irrational and therefore irrelevant, in their story this week they had no qualms about using a long-shot hypothesis to push their political agenda. What gives?

I personally spoke with several attendees of the Rome congress where the papyrus was first presented who said, as scientists, they were not impressed. These experts pointed out to me that the owner of the manuscript wished to remain anonymous and the "ink" on the manuscript was not even tested before its presentation. That's not exactly fidelity to the scientific method. In their opinion, at the heart of this story is an attempt by a faceless collector to increase the retail value of not only this fragment of papyrus, but the many others pieces that will with all likelihood soon appear on the market.

A long view of the story should make Christians very proud, however. First, the historic Jesus is still making news. The massive interest the story about Jesus and his possible wife generated, as evidenced by the extensive coverage it received in television, print, and social media, is newsworthy itself. Two thousand years after his death, hundreds of millions of people still want to know more about the adopted son of a carpenter from Nazareth who claimed to be divine. And a reason for even greater pride, is the way the Christian community has responded to scurrilous and inaccurate reports of what we hold sacred. It is precisely our faith in Jesus and his teachings that motivate us to respond in love. Embassy workers, foreigners, and non-Christians know they are safe in our midst, no matter what the New York Times and other media consider fit to print.
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Another thoughtful take on this:

Does New Document Prove That Jesus Had a Wife? |Blogs | NCRegister.com
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Originally Posted by DrBubbaLove View Post
Good article.

What really irks me about this whole thing is how even a few ppl are considering Dr Kings translation. I mean the word wife and bride are used interchangeably in the greek from what I understand. and this coptic writing, with or without the remaining text is obviously written well after 300AD. And wouldnt it have been translated from greek.

So my guess is if this is authentic, the author could have simply been referring to His bride, the Church, and the female followers eligibility to be a part of it.

Just IMO.
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'The Associated Press raised questions about the fragment’s authenticity and provenance, quoting scholars at the international congress on Coptic studies in Rome, where King delivered the paper. The scholars said the fragment’s grammar, form and content raised several red flags. Alin Suciu, a papyrologist at the University of Hamburg, flatly called it a “forgery.” '

Harvard Theological Review Hesitating on “Gospel of Jesus’ Wife”? First Thoughts | A First Things Blog

Forgery or not, it is on the same level of other heretical texts.
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Nothing in Scripture specifically says that He was not married, so it is certainly a possiblity. Having said that, it seems likely that this scrap of paper is a forgery.

If Jesus was married, I wonder how well his wife gother along with her Father-in-Law?
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Actually, there is evidence in Scripture to indicate that in the years between his appearing in the temple at the age of twelve and his first beginning his public ministry, he married and had a family.

Whenever women were named who were with Jesus, Mary Magdalene was always the first to be named. This included those occasions when she and Jesus' mother were both in the group of women.

This is called 'protocol'. In the greek language of that era if a man was single and women were named who were with him, his mother was always to be named first. However, if he was married and his wife was with him, she was always to be named first, even when his mother was also present. Mary Magdalene being named first in all the listings of women indicates that she was indeed Jesus' wife.

In John 20:16, Mary Magdalene called Jesus 'rabboni'. After the gospel was written someone included the explanation that 'rabboni' meant 'teacher', but that does not conform to the language of that era. Instead, 'rabboni' had three different synonyms, depending on who was saying the word. If a slave called a man 'rabboni', it meant 'master'. If a free man called a man 'rabboni' it meant 'teacher'. But if a woman called a man 'rabboni', it always meant 'husband'.

Jesus was identified as the perfect man by his apostles and disciples. And on what did they measure that perfection? They measured it on his having kept perfectly all the laws of Torah which applied to a person of his societal rank in Judaic society. He was a Jew, and his apostles and disciples were also Jews, whether some radical sects want to admit it or not.

This meant that he kept every one of the 613 laws found in Torah that he was responsible for keeping, and did it perfectly. One of those laws is to be found in Genesis 9:1-

Then God blessed Noah and his sons, saying to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth."

Marriage and the begetting of children was not seen as a "Maybe I will and maybe I won't" decision. It was a commandment, and in order to be seen as having obeyed all of the commandments required by God, it had to be accepted as a necessary responsibility. It doesn't matter how we view it from 2,000 years in the future. The facts are that in order for his apostles and disciples to credit Jesus as having obeyed Mosaic Law perfectly, they would have had to credit him as having fulfilled the commandment to marry and have children.

As for the time between his being found in the temple and his public ministry, we now know that since Herod the Great was still alive at the time of Jesus' birth, and lived for at least two years afterward, the timespan is not 18 years between the age of twelve and his beginning his public ministry, but instead is at least 24, and probably as long as 30 years.

The reason for this is due to our now knowing that Herod the Great's son, Herod Archelaus, ascended the throne in 4 BC. Since the real ruler of Judea was Augustus Caesar, and Herod Archelaus depended on roman legions to maintain the peace in Judea, Samaria and Galilee, that meant that he would have found it necessary to journey to Rome following Herod the Great's death in order to get Caesar's blessing. To ascend the throne without getting that blessing would be considered as an insult to Augustus Caesar.

This puts Herod the Great's date of death no later than 6 BC. The burial ceremony and the trip to Rome and back would have taken about 2 years. And since Herod the Great died of a prolonged and agonizing illness, it is doubtful that he would have received the magi while he was dying, so that puts the time of receiving them at no later than 7 BC, and in all probability much earlier.

Personally, I accept that 'The Star of Bethlehem' was actually Haley's comet, which passed by earth in 12 BC. Comets of this type brought both good news and bad news in eastern philosophy. It would have heralded the imminent death of a ruler, and also heralded the ascension of a new ruler to greatness.

This would explain why Herod was so upset at hearing that there was an infant born who was destined to rule over Israel. In order to have a viable birth, there had to also be a death, namely, Herod's own. The only way to reverse fate was to see to it that the birth and death both happened to the same person, namely, Jesus. That's why he ordered the massacre of the innocents.
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