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6th September 2012, 10:37 AM
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6th September 2012, 01:50 PM
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Reps: 1,574,738,335,962,253,824 (power: 1,574,738,335,962,329) | | The cleverest remark on Wednesday's fiasco at the DNC...
Yesterday, the DNC had to pretend it had a 2/3 vote to assert that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel and for the inclusion of the phrase, “God-given gifts” into their national platform, because three attempts to vote couldn’t bring it. Whether it was the “God” language or the “Jerusalem” language they resisted more is hard to say.
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6th September 2012, 01:50 PM
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Yesterday, the DNC had to pretend it had a 2/3 vote to assert that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel and for the inclusion of the phrase, “God-given gifts” into their national platform, because three attempts to vote couldn’t bring it. Whether it was the “God” language or the “Jerusalem” language they resisted more is hard to say.
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6th September 2012, 02:28 PM
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Reps: 626,630,887,837,468,032 (power: 626,630,887,837,482) | | Originally Posted by eastcoast_bsc  Quite a few Jewish Bostonian s have called, and he is going to have big problems with the Jewish vote. The sad thing is, I don't think it will affect the Christian-Catholic vote. I think the Catholic body in the US no longer as a group, cares any about moral issues.
We vote for abortion, we vote gainst our own issues, we believe in nothing. I am not talking about whether the Mass is Tridentine or whether the alter is facing this way or that. I feel the substance of our faith is lost. That substance is Christ Jesus.
Obama is going to have a hard time with the Jewish vote, because of his speech against the Jewish settlements in the West Bank, and a call to return the borders of Israel to the pre 1967 position. This is the current UN Resolution for the peace agreement back in the 1967 war, but Israel has refused to comply.
Also, with Romney promising Netanyahu everything including support for Jerusalem as the Capital, the Jewish lobby has turned against Obama and I've seen in other forums the negative propaganda in Jewish News publications showing that the are supporting Romney.
Americans must face the truth in that any candidate that does not support Israel fully, will never be elected or re-elected. Jimmy Carter and Pat Buchanan learned the lesson the hard way.
My fear is that if Romney gets elected, Netanyahu will sucker him into attacking Iran, just as Bush was suckered into attacking Iraq.
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6th September 2012, 02:49 PM
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And some of it is not so veiled.
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6th September 2012, 03:33 PM
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Reps: 107,550,195,698,414,560 (power: 107,550,195,698,422) | | Originally Posted by AMDG I am amazed that when land is won "fair and square" in a war, it is termed "illegal".
Fair and square in a war? So, might makes right? All you need is superior firepower, and you can wipe out the natives and claim it as yours? That's pretty far from any moral teaching I've ever heard. Seriously, that might be the worst thing I've ever read on a Catholic or Christian forum.
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6th September 2012, 03:37 PM
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Reps: 550,209,461,662,961,920 (power: 550,209,461,662,988) | | | What exactly is "fair and square" about one country invading another's territory?
"Fair and square war" is an oxymoron.
No country should ever be able to establish its capitol on illegally seized territories.
But this helps me to understand how you understand the concept of fairness.
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6th September 2012, 04:37 PM
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Reps: 79,639,822,304,229,648 (power: 79,639,822,304,233) | | Originally Posted by TheOtherHockeyMom
Fair and square in a war? So, might makes right? All you need is superior firepower, and you can wipe out the natives and claim it as yours? That's pretty far from any moral teaching I've ever heard. Seriously, that might be the worst thing I've ever read on a Catholic or Christian forum.
That's conservatism in a nutshell: "Might makes right."
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6th September 2012, 05:09 PM
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Though the link is older and not up to date, it illustrates what Israel faces as a nation. Israel isn't the only one at fault; stop acting like it is.
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6th September 2012, 07:06 PM
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