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Question 1:
You work for a large oil company. You have to do the hiring for the research team who will study core samples to help locate oil. Your only directive here is to help the company save money and find oil as quickly as possible.
Do you:
a) Hire young earth flood geologists to study core samples.
b) Hire geologists who use an old earth and evolution model to study core samples.
Question 2:
You work for a drug company and a new virus has just started spreading in the general population. Time is of the essense, you need to find a cure quickly. This virus is different from other known viruses.
Do you:
a) assume evolution is true and plot the virus in a phylogenetic tree and then start testing cures based on what works on its closest living relatives.
b) assume God created everything independently and so you don't place it in a phylogenetic tree and instead...(I was having a hard time finishing this, I'm not sure what predictions creationism actually makes).
(NOTE: I assume that as a Christain you would be praying during both choices in both cases, so try not to let that be an easy out from answering the question)
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6th September 2012, 09:15 PM
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You work for a large oil company. You have to do the hiring for the research team who will study core samples to help locate oil. Your only directive here is to help the company save money and find oil as quickly as possible.
Do you:
a) Hire young earth flood geologists to study core samples.
b) Hire geologists who use an old earth and evolution model to study core samples.
I will see who knows petrology better. That is the only thing needed for the job. Idea of evolution is NOT needed.
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6th September 2012, 10:02 PM
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You work for a large oil company. You have to do the hiring for the research team who will study core samples to help locate oil. Your only directive here is to help the company save money and find oil as quickly as possible.
Do you:
a) Hire young earth flood geologists to study core samples.
b) Hire geologists who use an old earth and evolution model to study core samples
Since the science in the lab is done the same it makes no difference. While I prefer a Christan doctor yet I'm sure an atheist doctor can operate just as good as a Christian one. Question 2:
You work for a drug company and a new virus has just started spreading in the general population. Time is of the essense, you need to find a cure quickly. This virus is different from other known viruses.
Do you:
a) assume evolution is true and plot the virus in a phylogenetic tree and then start testing cures based on what works on its closest living relatives.
b) assume God created everything independently and so you don't place it in a phylogenetic tree and instead...(I was having a hard time finishing this, I'm not sure what predictions creationism actually makes).
(NOTE: I assume that as a Christain you would be praying during both choices in both cases, so try not to let that be an easy out from answering the question)
Since virus can mutate so the anti-viral drug becomes useless I fail to see how it helps to learn about a useless tree. (the tree only exist in the textbooks)
This sound as dumb as getting bit by a copperhead thinking studying a black snake will find you the antidote.
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Nice try. But not a good one. Originally Posted by Smidlee Since the science in the lab is done the same it makes no difference. While I prefer a Christan doctor yet I'm sure an atheist doctor can operate just as good as a Christian one.
So you guys don't think they use index fossils and the model of the 4.5 billion year old geological column when studying core samples? What do you guys think the process is? Since virus can mutate so the anti-viral drug becomes useless I fail to see how it helps to learn about a useless tree. (the tree only exist in the textbooks)
This sound as dumb as getting bit by a copperhead thinking studying a black snake will find you the antidote.
After many debates you still think that the only tree that exists is in the textbooks? You don't think that phylogenetics gives us an objective tree of life? With all due respect, I suppose this is why you don't work in a lab trying to find cures for new diseases.
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After many debates you still think that the only tree that exists is in the textbooks? You don't think that phylogenetics gives us an objective tree of life? With all due respect, I suppose this is why you don't work in a lab trying to find cures for new diseases.
What happens when the phylogenetics doesn't follow evolutionist's tree? Phylogeny: Rewriting evolution : Nature News & Comment Originally Posted by philadiddle So you guys don't think they use index fossils and the model of the 4.5 billion year old geological column when studying core samples? What do you guys think the process is?
You don't have to believe evolution or 4.5 billion column to recognizes a pattern.
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Then we go where the evidence leads us. Has he produced peer reviewed articles yet?
What happens when phylogenetics does help us find cures faster based on the evolution model?
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What pattern are you referring to? Why is that pattern there?
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Reps: 24,672,635,970,394,960 (power: 24,672,635,970,406) | | Originally Posted by philadiddle Then we go where the evidence leads us. Has he produced peer reviewed articles yet?
What happens when phylogenetics does help us find cures faster based on the evolution model?
Even a broken clock is right twice each day. The fact evolutionist believed 98% of man's DNA was junk didn't stop the discovery of it's function.
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7th September 2012, 06:21 PM
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So the the success rate of the model is like 1 in 1,000? Is that what you think?
And in reference to your earlier comment about a pattern, what pattern are you referring to? Why is that pattern there?
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Reps: 64,075,032,547,048,952 (power: 64,075,032,547,067) | | Originally Posted by philadiddle So you guys don't think they use index fossils and the model of the 4.5 billion year old geological column when studying core samples? What do you guys think the process is?
OK, you are talking about paleontologist (a core can be examined in many ways)
The work of stratigraphic identification by microfossils from core samples involved only ONE technique: fossil identification. The paleontologist couldn't be careless on the true age and the true origin of the fossil, as long as all concerned fossils have been arranged into a stratigraphic sequence and each species can be identified.
For that kind of job, anyone who has trained eyes can do it well. No knowledge of evolution is needed. | | |
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