Are You Better Off?

Julian of York · #1 4th September 2012, 02:01 PM

Here are a few political numbers for Mr Obama's re-election:
D! National Debt:currently 16 trillion dollars
U! Unemployment rate. Estimated 3-4 million new unemployed added since 2008.
G! Gas prices: Doubled since 2008
G! Government Assistance. (are you sitting down?) !/3 of America's Citizens are on Government Assistance.

Oh, and the Dems did add 150,000 jobs! Yes, they are union jobs, starting at about $70,000, and many of them are for federal workers to manage "OBAMACARE". Hmmmm.

But I am sure this site is predominately liberal, so I imagine these are suppressed facts.

jayem · #2 4th September 2012, 03:07 PM

I'm doing much better. The DJIA was under 8,000 when Obama was inaugurated. It's right around 13,000 today. Anybody who has a 401K, or IRA invested in stocks is doing better. The appraised value of my home has also gone up this year (which means my property tax will, too.) The military is better now that Iraq is mostly drawn down and DADT is gone. Medical science is better now that funding for embryonic stem cell research isn't illegal. The whole world is a bit better since OBL was taken out. I can't honestly say I'm thrilled with everything Obama has done the last 4 years, but what's the alternative? A shapeshifter--who was the first choice of almost no one in his own party--who says he'll make things better. But gives few details of how he'll accomplish this except for cutting taxes for folks like me. If I only voted my pocketbook, I would vote for the Wall Street guy. But that's not enough reason.

Julian of York · #3 4th September 2012, 03:35 PM

Well, beside D.U.G.G., I am voting for Romney for the following reasons.
1) White bread is now doubled in price.
2) Gas is doubled in price.
3) My wife (unemployed) and I live on less than 35K per annum. We tithe to our church.We support benevolent charities. We have five grandchildren that stay with us a portion of each week.
4) We do not have any government assistance.Period.
5) We have basically nothing in savings.
6) We have nothing in retirement,even though I have had the same full time job for the last 36 years.
7) I own a 1985 Ford Pickup. Our other vehichle was given to us by church members.
8) Now, all this stuff is thanks to Mr. Obama.

Desk trauma · #4 4th September 2012, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by Julian of York

Well, beside D.U.G.G., I am voting for Romney for the following reasons.
1) White bread is now doubled in price.
2) Gas is doubled in price.
3) My wife (unemployed) and I live on less than 35K per annum. We tithe to our church.We support benevolent charities. We have five grandchildren that stay with us a portion of each week.
4) We do not have any government assistance.Period.
5) We have basically nothing in savings.
6) We have nothing in retirement,even though I have had the same full time job for the last 36 years.
7) I own a 1985 Ford Pickup. Our other vehichle was given to us by church members.
8) Now, all this stuff is thanks to Mr. Obama.

I am not following you, how does the President control the price of commodities, oil and wheat, or your personal finances?

Michael · #5 4th September 2012, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by Julian of York

Here are a few political numbers for Mr Obama's re-election:
D! National Debt:currently 16 trillion dollars

That's because instead of the change he promised, he signed on to extending trickle down (class warfare) economics in the form of the Bush/(Now)Obama tax cuts, and instead of spending that trillion dollars of stimulus money on making America energy independent, he squandered a trillion dollars on every pork barrel, er "shovel ready" project on the books.

Unfortunately the Republicans are intent on continuing trickle down, class warfare economics. Romney only claimed in his acceptance speech that he wants to make 'North America' energy independent, meaning he only intends to complete the pipeline to Canada, and forget the America dream of real energy independence.

Neither party wants to roll back the Orwellian nightmare of a government called 'Homeland security' that the Republicans gave us and the Democrats expanded upon. Both parties are guilty of racking up the debt by continuing the same failed trickle down/class warfare policies that have consistently lead to budget deficits. Worse yet they've abandoned the middle class to the special interests and particularly the oil interests of the planet.

Both parties disgust me at this point.

jayem · #6 4th September 2012, 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by Julian of York

Well, beside D.U.G.G., I am voting for Romney for the following reasons.
1) White bread is now doubled in price.
2) Gas is doubled in price.
3) My wife (unemployed) and I live on less than 35K per annum. We tithe to our church.We support benevolent charities. We have five grandchildren that stay with us a portion of each week.
4) We do not have any government assistance.Period.
5) We have basically nothing in savings.
6) We have nothing in retirement,even though I have had the same full time job for the last 36 years.
7) I own a 1985 Ford Pickup. Our other vehichle was given to us by church members.
8) Now, all this stuff is thanks to Mr. Obama.

I'm sorry to hear you're in a tough spot. Quite a few people are. But is Mitt the right man to fix it? Mitt has flip-flopped 180 degrees on some pretty major issues. Do you really trust this guy? Are you supporting him because his proposals (vague as many of them are--on health insurance especially) will be beneficial? Or are you just so frustrated that anything would be an improvement?

JustMeSee · #7 4th September 2012, 04:41 PM

There is an American Politics section of this forum.

Sayen · #8 4th September 2012, 08:20 PM

Your "suppressed" facts are a little thin. What exactly qualifies as "government assistance?" Welfare? Tax breaks/credits? Federal grants/loans for education? New homeowner/small business incentives? Public roads?

It's a cute, but fairly meaningless, list of statistics. It only shows the most basic level, without examining underlying pressures and facts. Anyone who believes an election is that cut and dry is lazy, and not doing their homework reading into issues. Just the questionable slam on gas prices is a multi-page discussion.

Why is it when talking social policies and the threat of socialism, everyone made it on their own without any help, but when it's time to blame the guy in office, whatever ills they have are the fault of the President?

tulc · #9 5th September 2012, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by Julian of York

Here are a few political numbers for Mr Obama's re-election:
D! National Debt:currently 16 trillion dollars
U! Unemployment rate. Estimated 3-4 million new unemployed added since 2008.
G! Gas prices: Doubled since 2008
G! Government Assistance. (are you sitting down?) !/3 of America's Citizens are on Government Assistance.

Oh, and the Dems did add 150,000 jobs! Yes, they are union jobs, starting at about $70,000, and many of them are for federal workers to manage "OBAMACARE". Hmmmm.

about those gas prices? been here:
2008 U.S. Gas Price Year in Review : TreeHugger

June 9, 2008—Retail gas prices rise above $4 per gallon.

July 7, 2008—Crude oil prices settled-in at a new record of $147 per barrel. The U.S. average price for regular gasoline climbs to an all-time high of $4.11 per gallon. Road trip style vacations are put on hold for many summer travelers.

then the bubble burst in Sept. and prices dropped like a rock. Along with everything else.

But I am sure this site is predominately liberal, so I imagine these are suppressed facts.

well...since not everything you posted was actually a "fact" no one is surprised this portion also is incorrect!

tulc(is just sayn')

iluvatar5150 · #10 5th September 2012, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by Julian of York

Oh, and the Dems did add 150,000 jobs! Yes, they are union jobs, starting at about $70,000, and many of them are for federal workers to manage "OBAMACARE". Hmmmm.

Assuming that's correct (and, given the veracity of the rest of your post, that's a shaky assumption), why is that a bad thing? Would you'd have preferred him to have created a bunch of minimum wage jobs? These are jobs that people can actually survive on.

-Dan.