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When the US-Constitution mentions the "General Welfare" of its people, it means we must assure
that people in General... are helped to fare Well....
But
it never intended, that Government can FORCE, thru taxation, its citizens
to participate in programs like Medicare, & Obamacare, & Romneycare. - Those are immoral, & wrong.
Forcing people to stay stuck sick chronically & perpetually... is immoral, & wrong. Why?
because GOD said in John10:10 "The thief doth not come, except that he may steal, and kill, and destroy; I came that they may have life, and may have it abundantly..." in soul+mind+body.
Hence (beyond Emergency-medicine, when it does its job right), the government's MEDICARE is also immoral, & wrong, as that is the vehicle to keep the population in a viscous cycle of symptomology treatments stuck; instead of empowering  & championing people to self heal. 
When the US-Constitution mentions the "General Welfare" of its people, it means we must assure
that people in General... are helped to fare Well....
But
it never intended, that Government can FORCE, thru taxation, its citizens
to participate in programs like Medicare, & Obamacare, & Romneycare. - Those are immoral, & wrong.
EDIT: I expanded my OP, because people insisted in taking this Topic, OFF-topic.
Last edited by sk8Joyful; 5th September 2012 at 06:30 PM.
Reason: EDIT: I expanded my OP, because people insisted in taking this Topic, OFF-topic.
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2nd September 2012, 07:00 PM
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Reps: 254,726,225,729,237,664 (power: 254,726,225,729,254) | | Originally Posted by sk8Joyful  Show where in the US-constitution, it says Government can FORCE, thru taxation, its citizens
to participate in Health-care programs it comes up with.
Right here: Originally Posted by Article 1 section 8 The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/cha...ranscript.html
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Which reinforces what the Supreme Court said about Obamacare being a tax. 
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Reps: 254,726,225,729,237,664 (power: 254,726,225,729,254) | | Originally Posted by NightHawkeye Which reinforces what the Supreme Court said about Obamacare being a tax.
I used that passage because the Supreme Court said that (so it's not exactly reinforcement but rather repetition).
The Supreme Court has said the same of Medicare, my post was meant to be informative.
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Article 1 section 8 The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and
provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States;
but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/cha...ranscript.html
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Reps: 254,726,225,729,237,664 (power: 254,726,225,729,254) | | Originally Posted by sk8Joyful Article 1 section 8 The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and
provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States;
but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/cha...ranscript.html
Yes, that one.
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"The general welfare": was that intentionally left vague? -
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did they not realize that enough would use that phrase for ANYthing?
What if individuals do NOT want to participate in such tax/thievery?
They have no choice?
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Reps: 254,726,225,729,237,664 (power: 254,726,225,729,254) | | Originally Posted by sk8Joyful "The general welfare": was that intentionally left vague? -
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did they not realize that enough would use that phrase for ANYthing?
It is certainly vague for a reason.
The Constitution isn't meant to think up every eventuality, it is left flexible so that it can last the test of time. What if individuals do NOT want to participate in such TAX/thievery?
They have no choice?
The Constitution is clear that the government has the power to collect taxes.
If you don't like how the government operates your recourse is electing new representatives and have them pass different laws.
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Reps: 197,302,394,532,338,528 (power: 197,302,394,532,355) | | Originally Posted by sk8Joyful "The general welfare": was that intentionally left vague? -
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did they not realize that enough would use that phrase for ANYthing?
What if individuals do NOT want to participate in such tax/thievery?
They have no choice?
The wording of many sections of the constitution is left intentionally vague to account for future innovations.
You must participate in taxes. Or you could leave the country. I'm fine with the latter.
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