religion of sinners is in vain, empty...

strangertoo · #1 18th August 2012, 08:04 AM

It is the few saints [Matt 7:14, Jude 1:14] who wrestle, with Love as their only means to do so, against the grip of evil which convinces most men that sin is a way of life when it is only a slow painful way of death of this whole planet ... capitalism stole folks Love of one another, Love of God gone for sake of chasing fake monsy that disappears from one's fingers by inbuilt 'inflation'' as a few men steal automatically the value of lives of billions and get away with it because that is How God trials the few saints, their trial by 'fire , final baptism before salvation... men grow up with teh emptiness of it, the paranoia, the fear of fake 'authorities' of institutions of evil running men's lives for no Love ...God lets men see this emptiness right up to death so we know what we give up when we fail to Love in life, and there is even a fake image of god [Rev 13:3-4] and fake priests in grand churches teaching men they are born sinners although Jesus clearly was a man and never sinned, the saintys are men and stop sinning, as is the foundation of God...

2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

Jesus showed us teh way of Love, Love can habvve no sin against others, the few saints [Matt 7:14, Jude 1:14] follow him ,but the masses have a fake religion of lies of Satan [Rev 13:3-4] which destroys the earth and them [Matt7:13] and they die thinking they knew from sinners, bur sinners never know Love, never know God , in this life :-

1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil

1 John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

for our own sin we die, not for that of ancestors , not for Adam's sins if he had any [for he was innocent until he took the knowledge of good and evil by eating the 'fruit of that tree]

Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

righteousness is simply Love of all, keeping God's and Jesus' commandment to Love... sin is breaking Jesus' command so he is not Lord of anysinner and will deny all still sinners by his return , he says so :-

Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Luke 13:27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.

thus why believe sinners in frocks who tell one one must sin all one's life whne Jesus says one must stop eventually, but knows few will in this life because men follow the herd to their death through a life of emptiness without knowing God , sin is unloving separation from God ...

1 John 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

1 John 4:16...God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.

- so the religion of sinners is vain, empty according to scripture... until they stop sinning and so can know God and Jesus ...

Phantasman · #2 18th August 2012, 09:27 AM

Originally Posted by strangertoo

It is the few saints [Matt 7:14, Jude 1:14] who wrestle, with Love as their only means to do so, against the grip of evil which convinces most men that sin is a way of life when it is only a slow painful way of death of this whole planet ... capitalism stole folks Love of one another, Love of God gone for sake of chasing fake monsy that disappears from one's fingers by inbuilt 'inflation'' as a few men steal automatically the value of lives of billions and get away with it because that is How God trials the few saints, their trial by 'fire , final baptism before salvation... men grow up with teh emptiness of it, the paranoia, the fear of fake 'authorities' of institutions of evil running men's lives for no Love ...God lets men see this emptiness right up to death so we know what we give up when we fail to Love in life, and there is even a fake image of god [Rev 13:3-4] and fake priests in grand churches teaching men they are born sinners although Jesus clearly was a man and never sinned, the saintys are men and stop sinning, as is the foundation of God...

2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

Jesus showed us teh way of Love, Love can habvve no sin against others, the few saints [Matt 7:14, Jude 1:14] follow him ,but the masses have a fake religion of lies of Satan [Rev 13:3-4] which destroys the earth and them [Matt7:13] and they die thinking they knew from sinners, bur sinners never know Love, never know God , in this life :-

1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil

1 John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

for our own sin we die, not for that of ancestors , not for Adam's sins if he had any [for he was innocent until he took the knowledge of good and evil by eating the 'fruit of that tree]

Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

righteousness is simply Love of all, keeping God's and Jesus' commandment to Love... sin is breaking Jesus' command so he is not Lord of anysinner and will deny all still sinners by his return , he says so :-

Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Luke 13:27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.

thus why believe sinners in frocks who tell one one must sin all one's life whne Jesus says one must stop eventually, but knows few will in this life because men follow the herd to their death through a life of emptiness without knowing God , sin is unloving separation from God ...

1 John 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

1 John 4:16...God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.

- so the religion of sinners is vain, empty according to scripture... until they stop sinning and so can know God and Jesus ...

You always stay on top of it, my friend.

strangertoo · #3 18th August 2012, 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by Phantasman

You always stay on top of it, my friend.

God's Truth is so simple, sin against folks is not loving folks but hurting them ... so one does not follow Jesus until one stops sinning and chooses Love instead...

yet we have a worldwide fake religion that keeps folks sinning week in, week out, even after water baptism when they commit to ceasing from all sin...

God forbids using grace as an excuse for continued sin ..

http://www.christianforums.com/t7680989/#post61186572

Rusticus · #4 20th August 2012, 07:16 AM

To be a Christian is not about not committing any sins (of course, we all must try not to sin: but being human, we fail). It is about that sins are forgiven!

strangertoo · #5 20th August 2012, 08:23 AM

Originally Posted by Rusticus

To be a Christian is not about not committing any sins (of course, we all must try not to sin: but being human, we fail). It is about that sins are forgiven!

that's what sinners tell you so you will continue to sin and not know God in this life ...

that most continue to sin all their lives is not in doubt, nor that they are destroyed for that -Matt 7:13-14

but what is remarkable is that Jesus showed that one does not have to sin at all, one can Love and be happy DESPITE the sins of others ...

and over a hundred thousand already stopped sinning to follow him... these are the Christians, ALL saints [Jude 1:14], none still sinners , not about lying to oneself and say one is 'trying' when one simply gives in to sin every day, but that one STOPS sinning against others and follows Jesus , Loves ...

sin is UNLOVING abuse of others against the explicit command of Jesus, so he is NOT Lord of any sinner and DENIES all who still sin by his return ... read the scripture to UNDERSTAND about sin , learn how Satan deceives the WHOLE WORLD including mass religion -Rev 13:3-4, with mass religion labelled 'Christianity' that has a fake gospel, fake image of a Christ, fake god, fake dogmas, and fails to Love even the poor ...

look at the fruit, sin ... look at the excuses ... look at God's Truth, no-one gets into the kingdom without spirit baptism, and no-one is baptised of the spirit until they STOP sinning, not 'trying', STOPPING ... READ the scripture, stop listening to sinners in frocks in fancy clothes in fancy churches of mass deception exposed by Jesus, or be destroyed for sin with the many Matt 7:13, to free you from sin at last [Rom 6:7] ...

being human is NOT an excuse before God for abusing others and oneself with one's sin...

you are made in the image of God , it is inside you... find it, as you will eventually , follow Jesus in more than just words which are lies to oneself and others , cease the excuses for continual sin , or be destroyed with the masses of sinner religion to begin the process of saving you from yourself and sinner 'priests' -Matt 7:13 :-

Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect...

Rusticus · #6 20th August 2012, 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by strangertoo

that's what sinners tell you so you will continue to sin and not know God in this life ...

that most continue to sin all their lives is not in doubt, nor that they are destroyed for that -Matt 7:13-14

but what is remarkable is that Jesus showed that one does not have to sin at all, one can Love and be happy DESPITE the sins of others ...

and over a hundred thousand already stopped sinning to follow him... these are the Christians, ALL saints [Jude 1:14], none still sinners , not about lying to oneself and say one is 'trying' when one simply gives in to sin every day, but that one STOPS sinning against others and follows Jesus , Loves ...

sin is UNLOVING abuse of others against the explicit command of Jesus, so he is NOT Lord of any sinner and DENIES all who still sin by his return ... read the scripture to UNDERSTAND about sin , learn how Satan deceives the WHOLE WORLD including mass religion -Rev 13:3-4, with mass religion labelled 'Christianity' that has a fake gospel, fake image of a Christ, fake god, fake dogmas, and fails to Love even the poor ...

look at the fruit, sin ... look at the excuses ... look at God's Truth, no-one gets into the kingdom without spirit baptism, and no-one is baptised of the spirit until they STOP sinning, not 'trying', STOPPING ... READ the scripture, stop listening to sinners in frocks in fancy clothes in fancy churches of mass deception exposed by Jesus, or be destroyed for sin with the many Matt 7:13, to free you from sin at last [Rom 6:7] ...

being human is NOT an excuse before God for abusing others and oneself with one's sin...

you are made in the image of God , it is inside you... find it, as you will eventually , follow Jesus in more than just words which are lies to oneself and others , cease the excuses for continual sin , or be destroyed with the masses of sinner religion to begin the process of saving you from yourself and sinner 'priests' -Matt 7:13 :-

Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect...

If by that you mean that the idea of "once saved - always saved" is absurd and not supported by the Bible, I totally agree with you.

However, where sin is concerned, we read in Luke 18:10-14:

10 “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’

13 “But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’

14 “I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.”

Jesus tells us that he prefers sinners who recognise themselves as such to those people who think themselves perfect and without sin.

strangertoo · #7 21st August 2012, 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by Rusticus

If by that you mean that the idea of "once saved - always saved" is absurd and not supported by the Bible, I totally agree with you.

clearly no-one is 'saved' until they are translated to spirit by God... that is God's call , not ours... anyone who claims to be saved now is committing the sin of tempting God and the cure for sin is death [Rom 6:7], not salvation by translation

1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

However, where sin is concerned, we read in Luke 18:10-14:

10 “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’

13 “But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’

14 “I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.”

Jesus tells us that he prefers sinners who recognise themselves as such to those people who think themselves perfect and without sin

Jesus denies ALL who are still sinners by his return...

Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Luke 13:27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.

2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

thus Jesus prefers no sinners at all, all are denied because they do not Love, do not obey his commandment to Love, sin is UNLOVING abuse of others... unacceptable to God ... all with Jesus are SAINTS, no sinners at all - Jude 1:14

being without sin is NOT a matter of thinking one is perfect, it is a matter of Loving all folks without question ...obeying Jesus' command else he is NOT one's Lord no matter what one says...

but why don't you read the scriptures I have quoted and see what they say instead of making up things ...

Ran77 · #8 21st August 2012, 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by strangertoo

that's what sinners tell you so you will continue to sin and not know God in this life ...

Just trying to see if I'm reading this right. You are not a sinner? Because if you were then you would be telling people this so they would continue to sin. Is that right?

strangertoo · #9 21st August 2012, 09:28 PM

Originally Posted by Ran77

Just trying to see if I'm reading this right. You are not a sinner? Because if you were then you would be telling people this so they would continue to sin. Is that right?

no wonder you are confused ... all have been sinners [excepting Jesus it is understood, so men do not have to sin as many sinners claim they do] but some stop sinning all the sins they are aware of ... that is enough [and is the essence of water baptism, death to the old man of sin] to get one spirit baptism to know all Truth -John 16:13

and the first Truth God gives is truth about oneself, which if one can accept and repent, allows one to fully repent all sin including those sins one does not admit to oneself...

thus God alone knows if one is still a sinner or not, it is not something one can say for oneself...

so perhaps you begin to see how inaccurate is your statement? ... but then perhaps it was as disingenuous as it seemed anyway , or perhaps you just got your own logic wrong by means of false premises , as many do ...

so let me attempt to clarify ... we are attempting to discuss the scripture of saints here, and so , as a first stab at gaining understanding, it is assumed by me that you realise saints are no longer sinners [the bible shows taht counless ways, but some do not get it, I hope you do]

your other mistake then is to confuse the messenger with the message , this discussion is not about me, but about what the saints and Jesus and the prophets say in scripture ... my sin or righteousness is a matter for God to decide at the appropriate time and has NOTHING to do with this thread , it is God's call when the time comes, not now, and so it could not have anything to do with this thread... do you see now ?

seeingeyes · #10 21st August 2012, 10:20 PM

The trouble is that we have no idea what sin is.