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16th August 2012, 08:59 PM
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maybe 'agnostic' would fit, but i guess i am a seeker more than anything else
seeking truth, i guess seeking God
my problem is that i am just not sure if God really exists
i can see the logic in arguments against theism
but for some unexplainable reason i just... want to believe in God, but cant most of the time... like my hearts not in it because of so much doubt
im here to seek and learn, not to cause truoble.
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16th August 2012, 09:14 PM
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Reps: 741,125,502,163,455,360 (power: 741,125,502,163,463) | | Originally Posted by The Unorthodox Orthodox  I've noticed that there are a few members of the forum, who define themselves as atheists etc etc.
Some of them are just exploring the Christian faith, which I understand.
They are just interested in Christianity in different ways, or they have existential issues and want to see if our faith can help them out.
But there are some who appear to be... quite confident about their atheism.
Some quote Christopher Hichens and other atheists, others have signatures mocking religion or the concept of God.
They don't bother me really. They stopped bothering me long ago.
The christ was also mocked and humiliated before He was executed, thus teaching us that we should be humble and shake off insults and mockery with a smile and a prayer.
But I can't help but wonder... Why would such people register to Christian Forums?
They are clearly not interested in our faith and they seem to have decided that our beliefs are nothing but nonsense.
So why would they register to a forum full of Christians?
PS; I'd post this over at Outreach but I am afraid that some would think I am attacking them, or they would take the chance of mocking my faith some more.
Doesn't Unorthodox indicate unBiblical?
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16th August 2012, 11:50 PM
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Reps: 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 (power: 9,223,372,036,854,840) | | Originally Posted by Elysium i dont know what i am
maybe 'agnostic' would fit, but i guess i am a seeker more than anything else
seeking truth, i guess seeking God
my problem is that i am just not sure if God really exists
i can see the logic in arguments against theism
but for some unexplainable reason i just... want to believe in God, but cant most of the time... like my hearts not in it because of so much doubt
im here to seek and learn, not to cause truoble.
Welcome to TAW, Elysium.
My dad struggled for years with doubt, then he started studying astrophysics, earned an M.S. in Mathematics with a large part of his graduate studies in astrophysics and physics, and then he began to work with astrophysicists who were searching for the "God particle."
His co-workers began to sense that this universe could not just be ... there had to be a God, a very personal God, who cares for this universe and for us.
Then someone began a Bible study and the rest is history. My dad found Christ through the Holy Bible.
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16th August 2012, 11:52 PM
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Reps: 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 (power: 9,223,372,036,854,840) | | Originally Posted by dollarsbill Doesn't Unorthodox indicate unBiblical?
It usually means "unconventional" as in an unorthodox physician.
Unorthodox, in a religious sense, means not practicing the true faith because Orthodox means right belief and correct worship.
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O Mary, Full of Grace,
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Glory to Jesus Christ!
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17th August 2012, 12:10 AM
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Reps: 1,408,441,646,055,677,696 (power: 1,408,441,646,055,689) | | right Originally Posted by MariaRegina It usually means "unconventional" as in an unorthodox physician.
Unorthodox, in a religious sense, means not practicing the true faith because Orthodox means right belief and correct worship.
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17th August 2012, 01:45 AM
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Reps: 61,681,973,541,343,216 (power: 61,681,973,541,346) | | Originally Posted by Elysium i dont know what i am
maybe 'agnostic' would fit, but i guess i am a seeker more than anything else
seeking truth, i guess seeking God
my problem is that i am just not sure if God really exists
i can see the logic in arguments against theism
but for some unexplainable reason i just... want to believe in God, but cant most of the time... like my hearts not in it because of so much doubt
im here to seek and learn, not to cause truoble.
Hey Elysium! Welcome to TAW! You're definitely NOT one of those people I was talking about in my earlier post. Doubts come and go, but remember to keep seeking. Christ himself said seek and ye shall find.
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17th August 2012, 03:54 AM
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Reps: 10 (power: 0) | | | Well, if you believe existence to be meaningless, that your life has no expressed purpose, and that you are really just an object of random chance then perhaps there is a bitterness when faced with people who believe themselves to be the product of something greater. I know many Atheists who just feel Christians are ignorant or stupid, which is sad, but most people like making fun of Christians because it makes them feel smart and better about themselves. They might be on these forums trying to prove people wrong because to see others distraught makes them feel better about their own lives and about themselves. That is just one idea though. |
17th August 2012, 05:20 AM
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Reps: 63,222,371,122,945,968 (power: 63,222,371,122,947) | | Originally Posted by cloudyday2 Actually, that quote "Atheism is not a religion, it's acknowledging reality" captures exactly the type of Christianity I am seeking. By simply "acknowledging reality" I want to believe in Christianity. This is what I've been trying to express when I've been arguing that every Christian should strive to be an atheist. A true atheist believes based on reality, so he/she should naturally become a Christian if Christianity is real.
Well, God is a spiritual, non-material being and thus, we cannot prove His existance or His non existance.
But Christians too believe in God by acknowledging reality.
They just perceive it in a differant way than atheists. Originally Posted by Elysium i just... want to believe in God, but cant most of the time... like my hearts not in it because of so much doubt
The exact opposite happens to me.
Sometimes I try to think like an atheist, so that I can understand them better, but I can't.
Atheists believe in blind luck, that our Universe is nothing more than an accident.
I can't believe that, nor pretend to believe that no matter how hard I try.
For me, there is no luck. Only God, who guides things.
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17th August 2012, 08:44 AM
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Reps: 10,365,136,554,007,898 (power: 10,365,136,554,008) | | Originally Posted by The Unorthodox Orthodox Well, God is a spiritual, non-material being and thus, we cannot prove His existance or His non existance.
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I can only speak for myself, but I'm not looking for proof. I'm just looking for a way to believe naturally without forcing it. |
17th August 2012, 09:13 AM
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Reps: 204,111,064,775,096,128 (power: 204,111,064,775,105) | | | I think most people are trying to figure out what is the source of their sense of right & wrong that guides their conscience. What St. Paul addresses in Romans 2 (for ex.), what the Lord calls blessed (the Beatitudes), what we should not do (the "secular" commands within the 10 commandments: do not kill, lie etc.). I pray that they will know it is God (the Trinity) by the salvation of the Son the Lord Jesus Christ. I think the Lord's basic statement of ultimately judging those who do good or wrong (see John 5:29) takes into account the hearts of those who follow the Gospel & others who may not fully understand but do right by the Gospel. | | |
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