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27th August 2012, 08:35 PM
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Reps: 420,333,693,458,061,568 (power: 420,333,693,458,074) | | Originally Posted by Blessedj01  This is what I was getting at. No matter what you do, people will find a way around the law. It's inevitable. I think they've done all they can do about it without affecting civil liberties to the extent that it'd create an even greater problem.
Well, they haven't done everything yet...I would rather see something similar to a welfare to work program for people who are able-bodied who just can't find jobs.
Have them perform some kind of service for the city/state for 25 hours a week during the time they're collecting (cleaning up the side of the highway, doing landscaping for the city, etc...) there's always some kind of manual labor that could be done.
If they don't show up, they don't get the money. If the government aid check required physical effort & time for the person collecting, I think they'd be less likely to abuse it and they'd appreciate it a lot more.
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27th August 2012, 08:38 PM
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Reps: 2,345,216,746,416,102,912 (power: 2,345,216,746,416,111) | | Originally Posted by miniverchivi
Well, they haven't done everything yet...I would rather see something similar to a welfare to work program for people who are able-bodied who just can't find jobs.
Have them perform some kind of service for the city/state for 25 hours a week during the time they're collecting (cleaning up the side of the highway, doing landscaping for the city, etc...) there's always some kind of manual labor that could be done.
If they don't show up, they don't get the money. If the government aid check required physical effort & time for the person collecting, I think they'd be less likely to abuse it and they'd appreciate it a lot more.
This is already in place in PA. They removed General Assistance, which was for temporary disability, and now the only thing available cash-wise is TANF, which provides cash, but one must enroll in a program to get back to work. Its a great program.
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28th August 2012, 09:24 AM
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Reps: 23,141,051,723,996,768 (power: 23,141,051,724,000) | | Originally Posted by miniverchivi How far should we go to make sure people aren't misusing our money? (I say "our" because she's drinking beer on our dime)
When I see stuff like this and then think in the back of my mind "these are the same people that are claiming that I don't pay enough taxes", it makes me physically angry to the point where I'm on edge.
What measures should we take to make sure they're not misusing funds?
Privatize welfare.
Bring back the friendly societies and so on, get rid of government welfare at taxpayer's expense. |
28th August 2012, 10:52 PM
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Reps: 1,927,105,018,331,140,608 (power: 1,927,105,018,331,147) | | Originally Posted by quatona Compared to those who are wealthier and more powerful.
Easy compared to hard..
Targets compared to non-targets (e.g. persons who are met with empathy or even admiration).
Those who slave their sense of wealthy or poor, easy or hard, to other people cannot know contentment or charity, which are freedoms.
If one cannot define enough for them self, apart from what others have, that one cannot have enough.
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29th August 2012, 03:51 AM
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Reps: 51,961,542,198,970,536 (power: 51,961,542,199,005) | | Originally Posted by bricklayer Those who slave their sense of wealthy or poor, easy or hard, to other people
You sure are a master of loaded language.
For a simple comparison you neednīt "slave your sense to other people". If one cannot define enough for them self, apart from what others have, that one cannot have enough.
Be that as it may - the statement "The poor and powerless are easy targets." doesnīt imply that you cannot define enough for yourself.
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29th August 2012, 11:30 PM
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Reps: 16,341,160,319,056,838 (power: 16,341,160,319,057) | | Originally Posted by bricklayer Those who slave their sense of wealthy or poor, easy or hard, to other people cannot know contentment or charity, which are freedoms.
If one cannot define enough for them self, apart from what others have, that one cannot have enough.
I think that this is very well said. I've always maintained that being able to work, to find work and do it well, is a freedom. Contentment and charity are freedoms. Interestingly, a story comes out of Romania about this. A man was in one of their awful concentration camps and another man, a new prisoner came in. The new prisoner asked the old prisoner what he was in prison for. The old prisoner said he was put in prison for giving another man a piece of bread (and thus defying the god of the state). The new prisoner asked the old prisoner who would put a man in prison for such a thing. The old prisoner told the new prisoner that he (who was a judge) had charged him with a crime. As society because more corrupt, acts of kindness will be taxed more and more and finally outlawed as the state become the all important god.
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