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8th August 2012, 02:00 AM
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What are your beliefs on the origin of life and why? What are some reasons you don't believe God or Christianity is real? Do you believe Jesus existed? What are your beliefs on the life of Jesus as in the things he done or whatever it may be.
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8th August 2012, 05:13 PM
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Reps: 31,323,680,168,116,584 (power: 31,323,680,168,121) | | Originally Posted by TheWorriedOne Evolution exists to a degree I believe it's called micro evolution. Evolution exists in the sense that things evolve to better survive. Giraffes have long necks to reach food.
There is no such distinction as "micro" evolution in science. The concept was invented by creationists in response to blatantly obvious examples of evolution in action that they simply could not deny. Originally Posted by Hestha The problem Christians have with evolution is when you say it's the origin of life.
The Theory of Evolution makes no mention of the origin of life, it only talks about how life changes over time. This is a common misconception among Christians.
If you're looking for the origin of life, abiogenesis is an example of what you're looking for. Originally Posted by Hestha Scientists say the earliest living organisms were prokaryotes which are cells without cell organs. How can you start out with a simple cell, a prokaryote and then end up with a Human that has complex cells millions of years later?
Very small, very gradual changes over extremely long periods of time. Originally Posted by Hestha Why do monkeys still exist if we came from them. That seems to be a justifiable reason to believe in God.
This is also a common misconception among Christians. Evolution does not state we came from Monkeys, it states we came from a common ancestor. That would make Monkeys the equivalent to our cousins, rather than our great grandparents.
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8th August 2012, 08:09 PM
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What are your beliefs on the origin of life and why? A quick answer would be “I don’t know. A little more detail……. Of course science doesn’t claim there is an origin to life, and neither do I; the idea of something coming from nothing doesn’t make sense to me. When I look at some of the wonders of the earth such as the construction of the Pyramids, Easter Island, the Sphinx, etc things that were built before the technology to build them existed; I know there is much more to things than what meets the eye. I consider the possibility of intelligent beings from another planet with great technology coming in contact with primitive man. History tells us primitive people will often perceive those with advanced technology as Gods rather than just advanced people. When Cortez landed on their shores, the Incas thought they were Gods. There are stories of American serviceman using an island during WW-2 as a jump off point; and they dropped food and gifts to the natives in an effort to befriend them. Instead of the natives seeing these Americans as friends with great technology, they perceived them as Gods and after the war was over with and the Americans had no more need for the island they left; but the natives began erecting statutes of planes in an effort to get the Gods to return with food and gifts. I suspect if beings from another planet came to earth when humans were primitive, they may have been seen as Gods, and that may have been how the God concept started. Don’t get me wrong; I’m not suggesting Christianity started that way, I’m referring to the religions that predate the ones of today. That may have been the start of using religion to fill in the blanks. Who knows maybe beings from another planet is responsible for life on Earth. Originally Posted by TheWorriedOne What are some reasons you don't believe God or Christianity is real? Many of the biblical claims don’t make sense to me. Originally Posted by TheWorriedOne Do you believe Jesus existed? What are your beliefs on the life of Jesus as in the things he done or whatever it may be. I suspect Jesus may have existed but I doubt the claims the bible makes of him. I don’t think he was born of a virgin; maybe his mother got pregnant out of wedlock and she made everything up to avoid shame; and Jesus believed it and became a religious leader. When I look at the life attributed to Jesus I believe he was morally superior to the God Christians claimed him to be I doubt he was crucified as well, the Muslim account of Jesus sounds more realistic to me than the Christian account. From my understanding the Romans kept detailed records of the various executions they did, records that exist today and even though there are records of thousands of crucifixions, there is no record of Jesus being crucified. As Christian as Rome is today, I am sure if such records existed they would be more than happy to show the world Jesus was crucified thus proving the Muslims wrong Well that’s how I see it, hope I’ve answered your questions | 
10th August 2012, 04:10 PM
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God is perfect all-powerful, all-knowing and all of that good stuff. Even though Jesus didn't write the Bible himself I would say God made sure everything he wanted was put in the Bible. Do you kind of see what I'm saying? I'm saying since God is all-powerful he's made sure he's got the right information in the Bible.
Exactly. Well put. God in his perfection DID make sure the right info got in the Bible for mankind to know without a doubt, how he accomplished certain incredible things like the greatest miracle of all : Making the Cosmos out of nothing by his sheer Will, when it didnt have to exist at all. He gave us this remarkable Creation so we would forever be in awe of his desire to show us care and love by providing a very suitable place to live requiring over 150 extremely narrow scientifically defined Life enabling Constants and Physics Constants which all must work collaboratively with one another , so we can find out ultimate purpose , that is, to return the Creators love back to him....willfully and gladly.
And this is only ONE phase of his great revealed love for us. , which is undeniable from a logical standpoint. The second way was giving us a very carefully scripted Book that would endure the centuries and reveal himself in a much more personal and intimate way. Thirdly, he brought it all to fruition thru the person of Jesus CHrist, his very own Son whom he sent to earth for our sake to reconcile us , permanently, back to himself by having our sins forgiven so we are acceptable to his extreme holy and pure nature.
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10th August 2012, 06:22 PM
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1. The meteor impact of 65 million years ago killed the giant reptilians, including the dinosaurs.
2. There has been no other extinction level event (ELE) since then.
However, I believe that there have been at least 6 ELE's since then:
A. A meteor impact crater in Chesapeake Bay is dated to 35 million years ago, and measures 53 miles in diameter. (This impact is the one which an evolution apologist tried to claim only caused a 'big splash'. But big splashes don't leave craters that are over 50 miles across and plainly visible from outer space.)
B. A meteor impact crater in Tajikistan is dated to 10 million years ago, and measures 32 miles in diameter.
C. The supervolcano that lies beneath Yellowstone National Park has erupted at least three times in the last 2 million years.
D. Mt. Toba, a supervolcano in Sumatra, erupted 70,000 years ago.
As well, there have been two meteor impacts in Canada and one in Germany, dating from 38 million to 15 million years ago, which have each left an impact crater measuring 15 miles in diameter.
And what do all of these have in common? Following the initial impact or eruption, which would have caused major destruction in-and-of itself, the ash and debris ejected by each of these events would have gathered at the very edge of our atmosphere. There it would have surrounded this planet, enveloping it in a 'cocoon' of sulfurous ash and debris that prevented sunlight from reaching the planet's surface.
The result of this 'cocooning' would have been a planetary drop in temperature to the point that the earth would have had the average temperature of a presentday walk-in freezer. But we are not talking about a temperature drop which lasted only a few days. Instead, we are talking about a temperature drop which persisted for years, or even decades.
There would have been a massive die-off from the initial impacts or eruptions, but it would have been only a prelude to the die-off that would have occurred as a result of such a long period of intense cold. No animal that needed to walk on the surface of this planet could have survived. Even the scientists that are diehard random-chance evolutionists can only say that unless some had survived, evolution would not have been possible and we wouldn't be here.
But that's called a circular argument, and as such is invalid. A person cannot argue that animals survived an event which is clearly identifiable as lethal to animals simply in order to keep a theory alive. If they survived years of subfreezing temperatures, then there needs to be evidence brought forth that would show how they had survived such intense conditions. But to simply say that they must have survived in order to validate a theory is not evidence of actual survival.
I myself believe in Intelligent Design. I am firmly convinced that God has had an active role from the very beginning of the universe until the present day. At regular points he has made decisions which have culminated in some species of animals continuing, while other animals have been eliminated. It's his planet; it's even his universe. So he has the right to make those decisions. | 
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Reps: 31,323,680,168,116,584 (power: 31,323,680,168,121) | | Originally Posted by TheyCallMeDave Exactly. Well put. God in his perfection DID make sure the right info got in the Bible for mankind to know without a doubt, how he accomplished certain incredible things like the greatest miracle of all : Making the Cosmos out of nothing by his sheer Will, when it didnt have to exist at all. He gave us this remarkable Creation so we would forever be in awe of his desire to show us care and love by providing a very suitable place to live requiring over 150 extremely narrow scientifically defined Life enabling Constants and Physics Constants which all must work collaboratively with one another , so we can find out ultimate purpose , that is, to return the Creators love back to him....willfully and gladly.
And this is only ONE phase of his great revealed love for us. , which is undeniable from a logical standpoint. The second way was giving us a very carefully scripted Book that would endure the centuries and reveal himself in a much more personal and intimate way. Thirdly, he brought it all to fruition thru the person of Jesus CHrist, his very own Son whom he sent to earth for our sake to reconcile us , permanently, back to himself by having our sins forgiven so we are acceptable to his extreme holy and pure nature.
What a mighty God we serve !!!
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11th August 2012, 09:40 AM
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Reps: 48,283,437,360,629,160 (power: 48,283,437,360,632) | | Originally Posted by Harry3142 According to those who advocate random-chance evolution, mammals were able to evolve from the furry little creatures that existed 65 million years ago to the wide diversity of today for two reasons:
1. The meteor impact of 65 million years ago killed the giant reptilians, including the dinosaurs.
2. There has been no other extinction level event (ELE) since then.
However, I believe that there have been at least 6 ELE's since then:
A. A meteor impact crater in Chesapeake Bay is dated to 35 million years ago, and measures 53 miles in diameter. (This impact is the one which an evolution apologist tried to claim only caused a 'big splash'. But big splashes don't leave craters that are over 50 miles across and plainly visible from outer space.)
B. A meteor impact crater in Tajikistan is dated to 10 million years ago, and measures 32 miles in diameter.
C. The supervolcano that lies beneath Yellowstone National Park has erupted at least three times in the last 2 million years.
D. Mt. Toba, a supervolcano in Sumatra, erupted 70,000 years ago.
As well, there have been two meteor impacts in Canada and one in Germany, dating from 38 million to 15 million years ago, which have each left an impact crater measuring 15 miles in diameter.
And what do all of these have in common? Following the initial impact or eruption, which would have caused major destruction in-and-of itself, the ash and debris ejected by each of these events would have gathered at the very edge of our atmosphere. There it would have surrounded this planet, enveloping it in a 'cocoon' of sulfurous ash and debris that prevented sunlight from reaching the planet's surface.
The result of this 'cocooning' would have been a planetary drop in temperature to the point that the earth would have had the average temperature of a presentday walk-in freezer. But we are not talking about a temperature drop which lasted only a few days. Instead, we are talking about a temperature drop which persisted for years, or even decades.
There would have been a massive die-off from the initial impacts or eruptions, but it would have been only a prelude to the die-off that would have occurred as a result of such a long period of intense cold. No animal that needed to walk on the surface of this planet could have survived. Even the scientists that are diehard random-chance evolutionists can only say that unless some had survived, evolution would not have been possible and we wouldn't be here.
But that's called a circular argument, and as such is invalid. A person cannot argue that animals survived an event which is clearly identifiable as lethal to animals simply in order to keep a theory alive. If they survived years of subfreezing temperatures, then there needs to be evidence brought forth that would show how they had survived such intense conditions. But to simply say that they must have survived in order to validate a theory is not evidence of actual survival.
I myself believe in Intelligent Design. I am firmly convinced that God has had an active role from the very beginning of the universe until the present day. At regular points he has made decisions which have culminated in some species of animals continuing, while other animals have been eliminated. It's his planet; it's even his universe. So he has the right to make those decisions.
The story of the meteor 65,000,000 million years ago hitting earth and killing off the Dinosaurs without killing off the rest of other species of animals, isnt believable ; I cant believe in biased-meteors .
Further...a simular sized Meteor is allegedly responsible for breaking off a big chunk of Earth which became our Moon, is also fallacious from a scientific standpoint and is strictly against what Genesis says.
Its shocking to see how many 'Bible Believing Christians' are so easily swayed by Men in White Coats who NEED natural causes to occur for everything. | 
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Id say that it was the other way around , since eyeglasses came last . | 
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Reps: 168,650,302,410,595,776 (power: 168,650,302,410,597) | | Originally Posted by drich0150 Your not describing evolution, you are describing an immunity in each and every case. it's like say someone who has had chicken pox has evolved from that virus, or anyone who has had an immune shot has 'evolved' from whatever they were inoculated with. A new species is defined as one that can't produce offspring with its original species. For instance, there's a thousand dog breeds, and millions of combinations of breeds. They're all dogs. But they don't reproduce with cats, so cats and dogs are different species. Sounds simple, right? The problem is that science doesn't have evidence of any transitional body types in the fossil record. That is, from the time of the Cambrian explosion, there are very many well-defined body types -- cats, for instance -- but there are no transitional body types before or after the Cambrian explosion. So where did the cat's body type come from? Or the snake's? The dog's? Horse's? The fossil record doesn't show the development of something that split off from another species to become a cat -- or anything else. And it doesn't show a change into another body type since the Cambrian explosion. Get this: According to the fossil record, thousands of types of animals suddenly (in geologic terms) appeared on the scene, and there's no record of where they came from, and there's no record of them changing into something else from that point forward. Evolution's got a lot of holes in it, doesn't it? The answer to your question is that no one knows. If science could prove that one animal evolved into another species, at any time, ever, then the Theory of evolution would be the Fact of evolution. It's still a theory. (And one that lacks thorough support.) How long does it usually take to speciate or evolve to another species? - Yahoo! Answers
Which makes it more faith based than said theorist would have you believe. 
Great points!! Yes, it IS faith based, but we can't say things like faith now can we?? Noooo noooo!! Let's find another word for it.....something that has nothing to do with God.
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11th August 2012, 10:07 AM
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Reps: 31,323,680,168,116,584 (power: 31,323,680,168,121) | | Originally Posted by TheyCallMeDave Id say that it was the other way around , since eyeglasses came last . 
Then why don't you use that same criteria when arguing biology.
Life came after the universe did.... so saying the universe is perfectly suited for our life is backwards.
Instead, life evolved in a way that was suitable to survive in this universe as it exists.
That's where the fine tuning argument begins to break down.
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