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2nd August 2012, 06:42 PM
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Meet Carrie Kolesar, a woman against the coercive HHS mandate.
‘The health-care law puts my family in an impossible dilemma, where we have to choose between violating our freedom of conscience and giving up freedoms protected under the Constitution, or facing severe government penalties that will harm our families and put us out of business,” Carrie Kolesar of Seneca Hardwood Lumber Co. in Cranberry, Pa., tells National Review Online’s Kathryn Jean Lopez in an interview. “No American should be faced with a decision like that,” she continues. Kolesar is a part owner of this family business established in 1961. The family is Catholic and considers the HHS contraception, sterilization, and abortion-inducing-drug “Preventative Services” mandate — which the White House has introduced as part of its health-care law — a clash with conscience.
Kolesar and her family, the Heplers, have joined a lawsuit with Geneva College, a Presbyterian school in Pennsylvania, against the HHS over the mandate, which went into effect on August 1. Continued- http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/312939/day-after-hhs-mandate-kicked-interview
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2nd August 2012, 06:47 PM
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Reps: 550,209,461,662,961,920 (power: 550,209,461,662,988) | | | Wow, how did you get that article that should be dated August 2, 2013?
I knew the National Review was conservative, but clairvoyant? Wow!
Watch out for them....they might be hanging out with new-agers.
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2nd August 2012, 06:53 PM
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Reps: 1,574,738,335,962,253,824 (power: 1,574,738,335,962,329) | | Originally Posted by Fantine  Wow, how did you get that article that should be dated August 2, 2013?
I knew the National Review was conservative, but clairvoyant? Wow!
Watch out for them....they might be hanging out with new-agers.
Kind of weak fantine. You know typos are pretty frequent no matter who you are. But carry on with your snarky self if it makes you feel better.
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2nd August 2012, 06:56 PM
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Reps: 550,209,461,662,961,920 (power: 550,209,461,662,988) | | | The HHS mandate is not kicking in until August 1, 2013.
In the meantime, there are myriad benefits, some potentially lifesaving, for women that are kicking in today.
Keep fighting if you must, but rejoice that, as of August 1, 2012, your sisters in Christ may remain healthy--thanks to the Affordable Care Act.
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2nd August 2012, 08:36 PM
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Reps: 1,574,738,335,962,253,824 (power: 1,574,738,335,962,329) | | Originally Posted by Fantine The HHS mandate is not kicking in until August 1, 2013.
In the meantime, there are myriad benefits, some potentially lifesaving, for women that are kicking in today.
Keep fighting if you must, but rejoice that, as of August 1, 2012, your sisters in Christ may remain healthy--thanks to the Affordable Care Act.
Thats right, Insert intent into a post & do not address the interview itself. You don't know much about me Fantine. I'd appreciate that you'd put that overused broadbrush of yours away. Your comments are so predictable that they have become meaningless.
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2nd August 2012, 10:44 PM
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Reps: 550,209,461,662,961,920 (power: 550,209,461,662,988) | | | What is the point of reading either of the two articles you posted when they pretend the mandate takes effects August 1, 2012 when, actually, churches have been given a one-year moratorium?
What is the point of reading an article that says nothing happened---but tens of thousands of people are raising Cain as if it has?
Yesterday, just for starters, people died--with no one year moratorium. Half of the counties in the US are experiencing severe drought--with no one year moratorium. People were diagnosed with cancer--with no one year moratorium.
And thousands of people are raising Cain over something which may or may not happen a year from now--even the National Review.
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2nd August 2012, 10:48 PM
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Reps: 1,574,738,335,962,253,824 (power: 1,574,738,335,962,329) | | Originally Posted by Fantine What is the point of reading either of the two articles you posted when they pretend the mandate takes effects August 1, 2012 when, actually, churches have been given a one-year moratorium?
What is the point of reading an article that says nothing happened---but tens of thousands of people are raising Cain as if it has?
Yesterday, just for starters, people died--with no one year moratorium. Half of the counties in the US are experiencing severe drought--with no one year moratorium. People were diagnosed with cancer--with no one year moratorium.
And thousands of people are raising Cain over something which may or may not happen a year from now--even the National Review.
Maybe you should start a thread about it to bring light to the issues you find of concern. Instead of snarking in every thread you come into first thing. Listen, Cardinal Dolan brought it up...this lady was interviewed about her concerns. They have a right to it. It's up for discussion whether you like it or not.
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2nd August 2012, 11:06 PM
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Reps: 167,059,453,223,181,760 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Michie Thats right, Insert intent into a post & do not address the interview itself. You don't know much about me Fantine. I'd appreciate that you'd put that overused broadbrush of yours away. Your comments are so predictable that they have become meaningless.
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2nd August 2012, 11:13 PM
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Reps: 550,209,461,662,961,920 (power: 550,209,461,662,988) | | | While I agree that this small business owner's dilemma could have been solved by having a single payer health insurance plan (which is what every Democrat in his heart of hearts probably wanted) the massive opposition we faced stuck us with this unhappy compromise. Perhaps now Republicans will regret the terrible fight they put up that left their religious friends up the creek without a paddle, instead of working for a much more economical and fair single payer system.
That being said, if she and her husband can only choose among employer insurance options that have one or two minor clauses that upset them, and will lose their business if they don't choose one, I really think getting the insurance is a matter of "remote participation," which I don't think is sinful.
They are not choosing to spend perhaps .005% of their insurance premiums on birth control pills for their female employees.
Don't you think that almost every employee has ethical issues they have to struggle with every day?
There's a degree of snobbery that goes into it, too...pity the poor doctor forced to prescribe birth control...pity the poor pharmacist forced to fill the prescription...who cares about the $8 an hour Wal-Mart clerk ringing up condoms and morning after pills all day. No one ever mentions the Wal-Mart clerks--they probably check out more B/C than anyone.
My opinion still is, very strongly, that no one wants to hurt business owners (or "job creators.") They're trying to appeal to feminists because Catholic hierarchy is a lost cause, no longer worth the effort because they are impossible to please.
But they really don't think the feminists will care if the fine is a nickel an employee, and I don't think the feminists will, either.
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3rd August 2012, 09:51 AM
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Reps: 760,814,574,992,475,520 (power: 760,814,574,992,504) | | | Fantine, you should know that forcing Catholics to pay for abortion inducing drugs and birth control is against Catholic religious freedom (Hmmm--think that can be said about many Evangelical Christians. Orthodox Jews, and Muslims.) And that bit about not forcing *Churches* to pay for those drugs doesn't effect most Catholics and other people for life. It's common knowledge that the law went into effect without the supposed "compromise". (You didn't actually *believe* Obama when he said that there was a compromise?) And it's no secret that August 1, 2012 was the day Catholics were forced to choose between their faith and obscene government fines.
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