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Alert Breaking: Former AG Ed Meese Signs Letter Supporting Rep. Michele Bachmann

About time!

Reagan-era Attorney General Edwin Meese has joined a long list of conservative heavyweights today, in support of Rep. Michele Bachmann’s quest to root out Muslim Brotherhood influence on the US State Department. The letter, signed by Meese along with David Barton, former US ambassador Kenneth Blackwell, Gary Bauer, former Rep. David McIntosh, James Dobson, Star Parker and others, is addressed to Speaker of the House John Boehner. It expresses concern over the criticism that has been levied at Bachmann and other Republican representatives in recent weeks.
The PJ Tatler » Breaking: Former AG Ed Meese Signs Letter Supporting Rep. Michele Bachmann
July 27, 2012
The Honorable John A. Boehner
Speaker of the House
H-232, The Capitol
Washington, DC 20515

Dear Speaker Boehner:
We are writing to express our concern regarding criticism Rep. Michele Bachmann has received for requesting information from the Obama Administration concerning possible links between the Muslim Brotherhood, the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), the U.S. intelligence community and the U.S. Departments of State and Justice.

Neither Rep. Bachmann nor Reps. Louie Gohmert, Trent Franks, Tom Rooney or Lynn Westmoreland, in their letter of June 13 to the Inspectors General of the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, the Department of Defense, the Department of Homeland Security, the Department of Justice and the Department of State 1, insulted any individuals nor made antagonistic comments about the Islamic religion. Rather, pursuant to public statements by some of the Obama Administration’s own officials and Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) testimony given in U.S. courts 2, they have raised legitimate questions about the ongoing contacts between organizations linked (by our government itself) to Islamism and federal agencies and officials.

As members of the House Intelligence, Judiciary, and Armed Services committees, the five signatories of the letters referenced above have relevant legislative standing to ask the questions they have submitted.
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Many of us have had the privilege of serving in elective or appointive office or positions of public leadership. We believe Rep. Bachmann has shown good judgment, undeniable courage, and great patriotism in sending the letters for which she is, by some, being castigated. We are grateful for her leadership.

We would be pleased to meet with you or the appropriate members of your staff to discuss these matters at your convenience. Thank you for your attention to this matter.





Sincerely,
  • David Barton, Founder & President, WallBuilders
  • Gary Bauer, President, American Values
  • Hon. J. Kenneth Blackwell, former U.S. Ambassador, U.N. Human Rights Council
  • Phil Burress, Chairman, Citizens for Community Values Action
  • T. Kenneth Cribb, former Domestic Advisor to President Reagan
  • James Dobson, Founder & President, FamilyTalk Radio
  • Becky Norton Dunlop, former Deputy Assistant to President Reagan
  • Stuart Epperson, Co-Founder and Chairman, Salem Communications
  • Colin Hanna, President, Let Freedom Ring
  • David McIntosh, former member of Congress, Indiana
  • Edwin Meese III, former Attorney General of the United States
  • Star Parker, Founder & President, Center for Urban Renewal and Education
  • Tony Perkins, President, Family Research Council
  • Robert (Bob) Reccord, Executive Director, Council for National Policy
  • Alfred Regnery, President, The Paul Revere Project
  • Mathew D. Staver, Chairman, Liberty Counsel
  • Tim Wildmon, President, American Family Association
http://pjmedia.com/tatler/files/2012...er-Boehner.pdf

1 Signers of the letter include: U.S. Reps. Michele Bachmann, Tom Rooney, and Lynn Westmoreland (members of the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence; the Armed Services Committee (U.S. Rep. Trent Franks, Rooney) and the Judiciary Committee (Franks and U.S. Rep. Louie Gohmert). Additionally, Rep. Gohmert is Vice Chair of the Judiciary Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism and Homeland Security.

2 See Dallas Morning News, FBI: CAIR is a front group, and Holy Land Foundation tapped Hamas clerics for fundraisers | Crime Blog; letter from U.S. Asst. Atty. Gen. Ronald Welch to U.S. Rep. Sue Myrick, Feb. 12, 2010, http://www.investigativeproject.org/...s/misc/360.pdf; comments of White House official George Selim, Administration admits to ‘hundreds’ of meetings with jihad-linked group | The Daily Caller.

3 http://www.mccain.senate.gov/public/...3-dda642179bca

4 Boehner adds to criticism of Bachmann's remarks | Minnesota Public Radio News
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Old 28th July 2012, 02:10 PM
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CAIR is a civil rights organization for Muslims. They aren't a branch of the Muslim Brotherhood. Certainly Muslims of all political persuasions (from right wingers like the Muslim Brotherhood to leftists) might support Muslim civil rights but that doesn't imply that the organization itself is MB. It implies that a wide variety of people both respectable and disreputable are interested in preventing discrimination against Muslims.
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I'm sorry, but Michele Bachmann is a terrible person. It's shocking to see her come out of a wonderful state like Minnesota.
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I am greatful for Michele Bachmann's leadership on this issue, as well.

She truly IS a great American.
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What was the supposed link between the State department and the Muslim Brotherhood again?

Correct me if I am wrong (typing from memory) but is it the fact that a Clinton aide has a brother who sits on the board of directors with another person who is in the Muslim Brotherhood? Is that it? Is there more?

Is the Muslim Brotherhood on the "terrorist organization" list?
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And check out that list. It's like they were making a list people Grizzly would not want to party with.

David Barton, Founder & President, WallBuilders
Gary Bauer, President, American Values
Hon. J. Kenneth Blackwell, former U.S. Ambassador, U.N. Human Rights Council
Phil Burress, Chairman, Citizens for Community Values Action
T. Kenneth Cribb, former Domestic Advisor to President Reagan
James Dobson, Founder & President, FamilyTalk Radio
Becky Norton Dunlop, former Deputy Assistant to President Reagan
Stuart Epperson, Co-Founder and Chairman, Salem Communications
Colin Hanna, President, Let Freedom Ring
David McIntosh, former member of Congress, Indiana
Edwin Meese III, former Attorney General of the United States
Star Parker, Founder & President, Center for Urban Renewal and Education
Tony Perkins, President, Family Research Council
Robert (Bob) Reccord, Executive Director, Council for National Policy
Alfred Regnery, President, The Paul Revere Project
Mathew D. Staver, Chairman, Liberty Counsel
Tim Wildmon, President, American Family Association
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If great is now a synonym for insane.
Perhaps Herbie also considers the dear Joe McCarthy a "great American".
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Reform requires asking tough questions sometimes. It's unfortunate that instead of simply answering the questions, the politicians go off on personal attacks and character assassination. Seems like answering the question would be the path of least resistance. Instead, on the matters of substance ... a deafening silence.
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