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Old 28th July 2012, 02:39 AM
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God's Standard of Absolute Truth = the KJB

Originally Posted by ebedmelech View Post
That would be inaccurate. For today's English (AV) means "Archaic Version"...

Of course for the "KJV Only" crowd that would be considered blasphemous...1000 pardons please!

Hey, guys. When the King James Bible came out is was simply called the Holy Bible. That is still what is printed on it. It wasn't till the fake versions like the Revised Version and the American Standard Version came out that people began to call the Holy Bible the King James Version to distinguish it from the others. If we were to simply say "the Holy Bible" people would not know what we are talking about. What we should really do is refer to the 1611 Bible as the Holy Bible and then call all the others by their names like the RSV, NASB, NIV etc. Would you be happy with that? I trow not.
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God's Standard of Absolute Truth = the KJB

Originally Posted by benelchi View Post
Just out of curiosity, which version of the KJV is inerrant?

Golly, benelchi, that's the first time I have heard this question. Now you really have me stumped

This is James White's favorite question. Of course, James White SAYS he believes the Bible IS the infallible words of God, but getting him to show us a copy of this "infallible Bible" he PROFESSES to believe in is something he refuses to do.

I answer this question for you just as I did for James White. Of course he refuses to let me post it at his Facebook Alpha & Omega site. He has blocked me. He doesn't really want an answer.

Here is my answer to his "Which KJV?"

Answer White -Which KJB? - Another King James Bible Believer

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Old 28th July 2012, 06:24 AM
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God's Standard of Absolute Truth = the KJB

Hi ebedmelech. This is one of the poorest anti-KJB articles I have seen. Really pathetic. Let's look at a couple of things here.

Originally Posted by ebedmelech View Post
This article tell why the KJV is no longer the best translation and probably doomed to fall even further.:

VANCOUVER, Wa. — July 1, 2011 — The King James Bible still represents a huge percent of Bible sales. Why does this translation command such loyalty? After 400 years of scholarship, translation theory, and new manuscript finds, can we say the King James Bible is still the best scholarship can do?
Even USA Today came out with a report in 2011 that among people who actually READ the Bible, the King James Bible is preferred -

Bible readers prefer King James version - USATODAY.com

The translators of the King James Bible in 1611 would likely be humbled that their work has endured for such a long time. Their original challenge was to make a good translation better. Miles Smith in the preface The Translators to the Reader of the KJB writes, “Truly (good Christian Reader) we never thought from the beginning that we should need to make a new translation, nor yet to make of a bad one a good one …, but to make a good one better, or out of many good ones one principal good one,….”

Bishop Bancroft put forth fifteen major rules that governed the translators’ task. The first of these rules stated the translators were to follow the Anglican favored Bishops’ Bible (1568) with comparisons from Tyndale (1526), Mathew’s (1537), Coverdale (1535), the Great Bible (1539, and Geneva (1560). While the rules encouraged the translators to consult the Greek and Hebrew original texts, they were revising an existing translation with the help of previous works.

Although not one of the listed fifteen rules, they sought to provide an English equivalent word for every Greek and Hebrew word. If a phrase or word needed explanation, they placed it in the margin. If a foreign word needed English clarification, the additional words were printed in the text in Latin type rather than the old English letters (see photo).
No one questions the academic or spiritual qualifications of most of the 52 translators. Their accomplishments speak for themselves. However, a number of issues demonstrate modern versions may exceed the value of the 400 year-old KJV.

The 1611 edition was revised on a number of occasions. In 1617, 1629, 1638, 1762, and 1769 multiple revisions changed the appearance and readability of the KJV. The changes made in the various revisions included updated spelling, correcting printers’ errors, adding to marginal notes, and in some cases punctuation. The Shakespearean and Jacobean English language in 1611 reflected English of the 16th century.

By choosing the 1602 Bishops’ Bible as the base version, King James guaranteed the new translation would employ the language of the 16th century. The language of the early 17th century was in transition. The Bible text settled on “thee,” “thou/ye,” and “thine” reflecting 16th century forms. Modern English would say “you,” your”, and “yours.”

The translators did not feel comfortable changing the forms to reflect current English. But in the preface they recognized current usage. Numbers 32:14 is quoted, “You are risen up in your fathers [sic] stead.” The actual KJV translation reads, “Ye are risen up in your fathers [sic] stead.”
The KJV revision of 1769 is the edition one buys today when asking for a King James Bible. While it reflects more modern spelling, Latin fonts and extended marginal notes, it retains archaic verbal forms such as (“thou givest, she giveth” for modern forms: “you give” and “she gives”).
The goal of translation is an accurate transference of meaning from one language to another. Modern linguistic theory notes the near impossibility of translating a concept from one language to another by using word-for-word translation. The complexity of languages (no matter how seemingly backward the people) and the intricacies of the culture make that transference of meaning highly complex.
This is a particularly bad opinion based on ignorance of what the crucial difference is between "thee" and "ye". The man should learn a bit more about the English language. The KJB is FAR MORE accurate because it uses "thee, thou, thine" and "ye, your, and you". Here is why -

Thee and Ye - Another King James Bible Believer

The King James translators sought accuracy of the original languages. Their goal was direct transference by using an English word for each Greek and Hebrew word—a word-for-word translation. They were however, unaware that the language of the New Testament was Koine Greek (common language of the people). They were under the impression the language has many so called “Holy Ghost” words. In the late 19th century Adolf Deissmann discovered early papyrus documents that used the common words formerly thought to be a special language.
This is totally false. It is not true at all but is an urban legend spread by the ignorant.

In addition, the KJV translators did not have the advantage of modern manuscript discoveries. It is debated as to the value of these recent finds by some supporters of the KJV and yet praised by modern textual critics.


Again, this is a false representation of the truth. There have been some manuscripts discovered, but NO NEW READINGS! Give just one example of a reading found in any modern bible (that NOBODY believes is the infallible words of God) that was not known of back in 1611. Most mss. discoveries have only served to confirm the readings found in the KJB. Generally speaking, the majority of all Greek manuscripts are in agreement with the KJB and not the Vatican versions like the ESV, NIV, NASB.


Is the King James Version the best modern scholars can do using modern linguistic theory? While thousands today are sold on the value and accuracy of the KJV, many believe it can be improved.
The New King James Version published in 1982 eliminates the weakness of some of the out-of-date language, but continues to ignore the latest textual critical finds and modern linguistic theory. But it continues to be a popular choice today.
Other readers recognize the need for a modern English translation which takes into consideration modern scholarship, new manuscript evidence, and 21st century language. Little wonder the New International Version now dominates the Bible sales market andother contemporary versions continue to be the choice of many.

Is the King James Bible the best English translation? | Washington Times Communities
Again, does this guy have what he believes is the infallible Bible? Of course not. He recommends both the NKJV AND the NIV, each of which continues to change from one edition to the next and don't agree among themselves by over 5000 words found in the different texts. This man has NO infallible Bible to give to anyone. He is in fact an "anything but the KJB" type of bible agnostic with very poor arguments to boot.

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God's Standard of Absolute Truth = the KJB

Originally Posted by ebedmelech View Post
This is a rough looking site but it makes some great points about the KJV that the "KJV Only" types hope you don't know.

"KJV Only" advocates refuted!

Hi ebed. It is obvious you yourself do not have nor believe in the existence of ANY Bible that IS the complete and infallible words of God. Before you get all huffy and 'offended' and tell everyone that I am bearing false witness against you, all you have to do to show us you are not a bible agnostic and that you really DO believe "the Bible" is the complete and infallible words of God is to SHOW us this infallible Bible you apparently want us to think you believe in. Will you do that for us? Thanks.

As for the silly site you gave us here, I have seen it many times.

I seriously doubt you really want answers at this point. You are not looking for answers but for errors. But if anyone else reading this wants answers. here is How to address these typical anti-KJB sites like the one you just gave us.

Answering the Typical Anti-King James Bible Only Sites

Answering anti-KJB sites - Another King James Bible Believer

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Old 28th July 2012, 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by brandplucked View Post
Hi ebed. It is obvious you yourself do not have nor believe in the existence of ANY Bible that IS the complete and infallible words of God. Before you get all huffy and 'offended' and tell everyone that I am bearing false witness against you, all you have to do to show us you are not a bible agnostic and that you really DO believe "the Bible" is the complete and infallible words of God is to SHOW us this infallible Bible you apparently want us to think you believe in. Will you do that for us? Thanks.

As for the silly site you gave us here, I have seen it many times.

I seriously doubt you really want answers at this point. You are not looking for answers but for errors. But if anyone else reading this wants answers. here is How to address these typical anti-KJB sites like the one you just gave us.

Answering the Typical Anti-King James Bible Only Sites

Answering anti-KJB sites - Another King James Bible Believer

"He that hath ears to hear, let him hear." Luke 8:8
You're correct. I never asked for an answer...and obviously you think you have an answer.

What I do...I do to keep young as well as uninformed believers from getting caught up in KJV Only nonsense.

They need to understand the difference in translations and not some circular meaningless debate about the KJV...a translation that today they'd spend as much time trying to understand "Ye Olde English", as they would getting into the basic doctrines in the word

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Why is the King James "Bible" preferred to that of the Douay-Rheims Bible, which is an older English Translation than the KJ"B" and which is closer to the best translation ever ... the Latin Vulgate (due largely to St. Jerome, Doctor of Biblical Science) ?

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Why is the King James "Bible" preferred to that of the Douay-Rheims Bible
It's far more beautiful and, therefore, inspirational and uplifting. It's by far the best known translation in the world. If it were suddenly to disappear from everyone's mind, dozens and dozens of expressions and terms everyone--even the unchurched--use every day would be lost from our culture. As was said before, it was the translation that "won the world" during the great days of world evangelism. It's the most ecumenical translation to the extent that no other translation is so often used by Protestant, Orthodox, and Catholic Christians alike. No other translation can point to such a record.
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It's far more beautiful and, therefore, inspirational and uplifting. It's by far the best known translation in the world. If it were suddenly to disappear from everyone's mind, dozens and dozens of expressions and terms everyone--even the unchurched--use every day would be lost from our culture. As was said before, it was the translation that "won the world" during the great days of world evangelism. It's the most ecumenical translation to the extent that no other translation is so often used by Protestant, Orthodox, and Catholic Christians alike. No other translation can point to such a record.
The NRSV is the next closest thing, isn't it? Or am I forgetting something?
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The NRSV is the next closest thing, isn't it? Or am I forgetting something?
I'm no expert on that version and haven't heard anyone else say that it's the closest thing, but maybe it is.
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