Woe to all those who confuse religion with the God of Love...

strangertoo · #1 24th July 2012, 12:13 PM

Jesus has the final word on the empty mass religion of mankind :-

Rev 13:3 ... all the world wondered after the beast.
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

the reason is given too, for almost all folks remain sinners and are destroyed for it [Matt 7:13], even those who say they are religious :-

1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil

it is simple in essence, sin is breaking Jesus' and God's rule of Love , Jesus cannot be one's Lord if one simply does not obey him but continues to sin...

freezerman2000 · #2 24th July 2012, 12:19 PM

Oh well then, Woe is me!

strangertoo · #3 3rd August 2012, 07:22 AM

... starnge to freely choose sadness [woe] ,but most do [Matt 7:13-14] according to scripture , most will worship the wrong image god created by mass religion according to Jesus [Rev 13:3-4]

branchofthevine · #4 3rd August 2012, 08:53 AM

God is love, but love is also only defined by God, and not by man.

An oven continues to be hot even after you turn it off.
God's patience is ever on us, as he works in us to keep us from sin. True worship of God (John 4) is in Spirit and truth, which is the same thing that true Sanctification is (1 Thess 4).

Praise God for His patience and understanding of our weakness, and His willing heart to deal with us as a tender Father.

JoJo50 · #5 3rd August 2012, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by strangertoo

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[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']No it's not "almost all" it is ALL who are sinners, even those who's trying hard not to WILLFULLY sin, (1John 1:8-10, If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us). many sin unknowlingly ,(Psa. 19:12,13- Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults. Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression). this is why we ALL daily have to ask Jehovah God, in Jesus name for forgiveness.

so ALL who God choose to join Jesus as in ruling over the earthly subjects ,(Rev. 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth). and (Psa. 37:11 But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace). every last one of these faithful people will either die a sinner. or live up to the end as a sinner. the difference between them and other sinners. was the fact that they try to live a way pleasing to Jehovah God, and follow Jesus. even if they kept falling they got back up, and tried it again.

as for Rev.13:3...it wasn't so much that they were JUST sinners, most of mankind follows the beast. the beast being worldly govenments. see Rev. 7:10. though God will soon rid the world of wordly governments ,(Dan. 2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever). he allows them because there's some good from it, like certain laws which help keep the world running ok.

verse 4 many knows the "dragon" is satan , when Jesus walked the earth, satan offered Jesus the power over ALL the kingdoms on earth, if he worshipped him ,(Luke 4:6,7). though Jehovah God allow the governments to be here...for a while. he knew satan would be running the show. it's satan who gives the governments their power, because they governments are worshipping him. even though many says..."lord,lord." so most of the world will follow their governments before totally follow Jesus. THIS...will cause many their lives. peace

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strangertoo · #6 7th August 2012, 08:09 AM

Originally Posted by JoJo50

[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']No it's not "almost all" it is ALL who are sinners, even those who's trying hard not to WILLFULLY sin, (1John 1:8-10, If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us).

A common-enough mistake, ALL sin is essentially wilful because all men have a conscience which tells us when we sin [thanks to Adam we are never innocent in sin, all know good from evil because Adam took this knowledge , so brought death on sinners as wages of sin]

also Jesus was a man and did not sin, so all men do not sin ... another common lie against Christ :-

Hebrews 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

Thus Jesus PROVED mankind is not sinful inherently, but CHOOSES sin against others and himself freely over Love of others , knowing good from evil , choosing to follow Satan, not Jesus :-

1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil

Again the saints SIN NO MORE after water baptism and receive baptism of the spirit to know all truth of God [John 16:13] to be able to defeat temptation to sin by Satan, just as Jesus did , Jesus sghowibng the WAY of salvation by not sinning but obeying him and Loving ALL folks always, no more sin ... but NOT claiming to be without sin because that is God's call, God's judgement, not ours, and God reveals all hidden sin s in spirit baptism, the first Truth one learns from God si the \truth about one's sin so one can FULLY repent all sin and STOP all sin :-
2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

grace is NOT a cover for continuing sin [Rom 6:1-2] ,one must stop sinning to follow Jesus Ezek 18:20-24] - only PAST sins are remitted, thus read on the whole of your quoted passage :-

Romans 3:25 ... whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

sin is not past if one still is going to sin...! and there is no forgiveness possible if one sins after water baptism because one is defying God having asked forgiveness for the same sin... only death can free one from such sin [Rom 6:7]

many sin unknowlingly ,(Psa. 19:12,13- Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults. Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression). this is why we ALL daily have to ask Jehovah God, in Jesus name for forgiveness.

IF one stops sinning then God will tell one the Truth about oneself first [John 16:13], one's sins , and then one can STOP ... it's no use asking God if one still chooses to sin, God is only interested in those who want to Love, stop sinning against others...

so ALL who God choose to join Jesus as in ruling over the earthly subjects ,(Rev. 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth). and (Psa. 37:11 But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace). every last one of these faithful people will either die a sinner. or live up to the end as a sinner. the difference between them and other sinners. was the fact that they try to live a way pleasing to Jehovah God, and follow Jesus. even if they kept falling they got back up, and tried it again.

blatant defying of scripture , as falsely taught by sinners in frocks worldwide,, no-one who still sins can be taken by Jesus, he specifically denies anyone who is still sinning at his return and ALL who are with him are SAINTS, not sinners [Jude 1:14] :-

Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Luke 13:27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.

as for Rev.13:3...it wasn't so much that they were JUST sinners, most of mankind follows the beast. the beast being worldly govenments. see Rev. 7:10. though God will soon rid the world of wordly governments ,(Dan. 2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever). he allows them because there's some good from it, like certain laws which help keep the world running ok.

The bible identifies the beast, no need to guess [wrongly]

verse 4 many knows the "dragon" is satan , when Jesus walked the earth, satan offered Jesus the power over ALL the kingdoms on earth, if he worshipped him ,(Luke 4:6,7). though Jehovah God allow the governments to be here...for a while. he knew satan would be running the show. it's satan who gives the governments their power, because they governments are worshipping him. even though many says..."lord,lord." so most of the world will follow their governments before totally follow Jesus. THIS...will cause many their lives. peace

there are but FEW who fid the way of Love now [Matt 7:14, Rev 7:3-8, Jude 1:14] and the billions of the earth and mass religion are DESTROYED [Matt 7:13] FOR continuing SIN - because only death can free habitual sinners from the sin of this evil world [Rom 6:7] , so countless MANY are saved AFTERWARD [Rev 7:9-10] ,after the destruction of the billions in the end of this earth and heavens ... Jesus' kingdom is NOT of THIS earth but is on earth, the new earth then :-

John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world

Revelation 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

2 Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
thus the FEW saints of this earth, those who followed Jesus in NO MORE SIN in life , not even claiming t6o be saints because that would be a sin, these FEW are the kings and priests of the kingdom of Jesus come in the new earth... NO SINNERS ALLOWED by Jesus own words ...

READ ALL the scripture to understand the Truth, not by listening to sinners in frocks who do not know God according to scripture :-

Titus 3:11 Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.

1 John 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

1 John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

strangertoo · #7 7th August 2012, 08:12 AM

Originally Posted by branchofthevine

God is love, but love is also only defined by God, and not by man.

Fortunately God is willing to teach all men ONCE men LISTEN instead of sinning against Him and other men :-

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth ... and he will shew you things to come.

Joel 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

John 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

1 Thessalonians 4:9 But as touching brotherly love ye need not that I write unto you: for ye yourselves are taught of God to love one another.

TMUMC · #8 11th August 2012, 07:29 PM

So tell us, strangertoo, do you avoid worshipping in congregations, then?

Xpistis sopheiaX · #9 12th August 2012, 01:21 AM

Originally Posted by strangertoo

... starnge to freely choose sadness [woe] ,but most do [Matt 7:13-14] according to scripture , most will worship the wrong image god created by mass religion according to Jesus [Rev 13:3-4]

I understand you don't believe there are many Christians, but I fail to see any motivation to try to be a Christian if it isn't possible.

strangertoo · #10 12th August 2012, 03:28 AM

Originally Posted by TMUMC

So tell us, strangertoo, do you avoid worshipping in congregations, then?

1 John 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

did you not know it is foolish to set traps for others to fall into, you just end up snared yourself in your own devices

Psalms 10:2 The wicked in his pride doth persecute the poor: let them be taken in the devices that they have imagined.

I have only deep love of congregating in Love of God, but sinners do not even know God, so there is nothing but loss in congregations of sinners... saints however meet sometimes ,even to day, and there is Jesus right with them ,because so few find the way of Love now

Matthew 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

Titus 3:11 Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.

Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.