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Originally Posted by MachZer0 View Post
Thank you. You just gave us statistics from the Bureau of LAND Management regarding onshore leases when the discussion is about OFFshore leases.
Actually the discussion is about Obama lying. Can you show an Obama quote that refrences OFFshore leases?
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Old 23rd July 2012, 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Rion View Post
Those who live in glass houses, Grizzly

Anyhow:

https://twitter.com/Obama2012/status/213337525635395584

It's hard to find one with the oil claim, as searching for it results in a bunch of links with environmentalists crying about it.
Duuuuude. Weak. You start a thread about Obama lying but can't even find a relevent quote? Doesn't that concern you?
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Originally Posted by Anovah View Post
Duuuuude. Weak. You start a thread about Obama lying but can't even find a relevent quote? Doesn't that concern you?
Less that I can't find one and more that I can't find one without cursing included. Darn forum rules and all that. It's a common claim, even around here, so I'm surprised there's such skepticism of it.
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Old 23rd July 2012, 11:35 PM
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Problem is that these things get started up with little evidence, and gain a life of their own and become hard to validate through all the noise.
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Originally Posted by Vylo View Post
Problem is that these things get started up with little evidence, and gain a life of their own and become hard to validate through all the noise.
Swiftboating 101, ladies and gentlemen.
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Old 24th July 2012, 12:10 AM
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Less that I can't find one and more that I can't find one without cursing included. Darn forum rules and all that. It's a common claim, even around here, so I'm surprised there's such skepticism of it.
I guess what I'm saying is that you're calling the guy a liar but didn't even bother to double check the facts.

Isn't that alarming? That you're ready to make such harsh claims without facts? May I ask where you got this story from originally and what the context was?

Regardless, I actually recall the Obama admin being fairly upfront about plans for offshore drilling. There was a little disaster you might remember...
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I guess what I'm saying is that you're calling the guy a liar but didn't even bother to double check the facts.
Why do you assume that? Because I didn't bother to give links to his actual quotes on my first post? I'm sorry, but with how often it gets thrown around as "fact" I didn't think it was going to be questioned.

Isn't that alarming? That you're ready to make such harsh claims without facts?
There's a difference between not having the facts, and not having links to the quotes when I post a thread. Besides, if you guys are willing to believe that Wealther-nonsense, I find your being incredulous here rather hilarious.

May I ask where you got this story from originally and what the context was?
See links above?

Regardless, I actually recall the Obama admin being fairly upfront about plans for offshore drilling. There was a little disaster you might remember...
Yeah, then he changed that:
Obama Proposes Opening Vast Offshore Areas to Drilling - NYTimes.com

Here's one of his speeches where he mentions how much he's opened up, and how it's a record pace.
President Obama Largo, Maryland Speech Video Mar. 15, 2012: Prince George's Community College | Shallow Nation
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Swiftboating 101, ladies and gentlemen.
Hilarious! Since I've provided quotes, might I bother to ask for an apology, or would that be expecting too much?
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That was published March 31, 2010

April 20, 2010 - there was an explosion on the Deepwater Horizon - and a rather huge oil spill.

I recall a slowdown on approving leases for very good reasons....oil spills and oil companies difficulty in plugging them. Found an article from
December 2010 about US rejecting East Coast oil drilling...and now there is H.R. 6082 which would vastly increase drilling on the East Coast .


You next posted a link to
President Obama Largo, Maryland Speech Video Mar. 15, 2012: Prince George's Community College | Shallow Nation

It includes:

Over the last three years, my administration has opened millions of acres of land in 23 different states for oil and gas exploration. (Applause.) Offshore, I’ve directed my administration to open up more than 75 percent of our potential oil resources. That includes an area in the Gulf of Mexico we opened up a few months ago that could produce more than 400 million barrels of oil.

The statistics were already posted showing the land drilling - 8
Does opening up the oil reserves require new leases?


I think we are just hearing the new talking point from the Republican side as the house considers H.R. 6082. Extreme rhetoric- meant to be as ugly about the President as possible - from what I see.
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That was published March 31, 2010

April 20, 2010 - there was an explosion on the Deepwater Horizon - and a rather huge oil spill.

I recall a slowdown on approving leases for very good reasons....oil spills and oil companies difficulty in plugging them. Found an article from
December 2010 about US rejecting East Coast oil drilling...and now there is H.R. 6082 which would vastly increase drilling on the East Coast .
Actually... thanks. I thought it said 2011 for some reason last night. Lack of sleep.

You next posted a link to
President Obama Largo, Maryland Speech Video Mar. 15, 2012: Prince George's Community College | Shallow Nation

It includes:




The statistics were already posted showing the land drilling - 8
Does opening up the oil reserves require new leases?
...if there's no leases, it's "open" but not available for drilling, so yeah.

I think we are just hearing the new talking point from the Republican side as the house considers H.R. 6082. Extreme rhetoric- meant to be as ugly about the President as possible - from what I see.
I think you do project too much. I don't care about Rs or Ds, I care about the truth. I wasn't even aware there was a bill coming up.
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