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Old 22nd July 2012, 08:52 PM
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When is an ape not an ape (according to Answers in Genesis)?

Creationists agree there is a distinct line between humans and apes. Most - though not all - think that the Australopithecines and possibly Homo Habilis were just apes, while everything from Homo Erectus onwards was fully human.

Interestingly however, Answersingenesis have published a paper claiming one of the more recent hominins discovered, Australopithecus Sediba, was actually a human:
Results indicate that hominins may be divided into as many as four different holobaramins: (1) the genus Homo (including Australopithecus sediba), (2) the genus Paranthropus, (3) Australopithecus africanus, and (4) Gorilla, Pan, Australopithecus afarensis, and Australopithecus garhi. These results tentatively confirm the common creationist claim that fossil hominids can be divided into human and non-human categories. In contrast to many creationist claims, however, the present results indicate that Homo habilis, Homo rudolfensis, and—most surprisingly—Australopithecus sediba belong in the human holobaramin.
This however is the same site which has written several articles claiming "Lucy" and her species (Australopithecus Afarensis) were just apes:
Neither Lucy nor any other australopithecine is therefore intermediate between humans and African apes. Nor are they similar enough to humans to be any sort of ancestor of ours. Lucy and the australopithecines show nothing about human evolution, and should not be promoted as having any sort of “missing link” status. The creationist alternative, that humans, apes and other creatures were created that way in the beginning, remains the only explanation consistent with all the evidence.
So to ask the obvious question: How can one species of Australopithecus be considered human and another species be considered just an ape?

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Here are a few pictures for the sake of comparison:


Australopithecus Sediba


Australopithecus Afarensis


Size comparison between A. Sediba (left and right) and A. Afarensis (middle)


Australopithecus Afarensis skull (a.k.a. "Mrs Ples")


Australopithecus Sediba skull



P.S. Even the people at Answersingenesis cannot agree on which specimens are human and which aren't. Here is an article claiming Australopithecus Sediba is just an ape: link

How do they know? Because it looks very similar to Australopithecus Afarensis.
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Old 22nd July 2012, 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Notedstrangeperson View Post
Creationists agree there is a distinct line between humans and apes. Most - though not all - think that the Australopithecines and possibly Homo Habilis were just apes, while everything from Homo Erectus onwards was fully human.

Interestingly however, Answersingenesis have published a paper claiming one of the more recent hominins discovered, Australopithecus Sediba, was actually a human:
Results indicate that hominins may be divided into as many as four different holobaramins: (1) the genus Homo (including Australopithecus sediba), (2) the genus Paranthropus, (3) Australopithecus africanus, and (4) Gorilla, Pan, Australopithecus afarensis, and Australopithecus garhi. These results tentatively confirm the common creationist claim that fossil hominids can be divided into human and non-human categories. In contrast to many creationist claims, however, the present results indicate that Homo habilis, Homo rudolfensis, and—most surprisingly—Australopithecus sediba belong in the human holobaramin.
This however is the same site which has written several articles claiming "Lucy" and her species (Australopithecus Afarensis) were just apes:
Neither Lucy nor any other australopithecine is therefore intermediate between humans and African apes. Nor are they similar enough to humans to be any sort of ancestor of ours. Lucy and the australopithecines show nothing about human evolution, and should not be promoted as having any sort of “missing link” status. The creationist alternative, that humans, apes and other creatures were created that way in the beginning, remains the only explanation consistent with all the evidence.
So to ask the obvious question: How can one species of Australopithecus be considered human and another species be considered just an ape?

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A very simple answer from a layman is: The classification was wrong. They are not two species of the genus. (hey, I know nothing about the content, it is just a logic answer).
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Originally Posted by Notedstrangeperson Creationists agree there is a distinct line between humans and apes. Most - though not all - think that the Australopithecines and possibly Homo Habilis were just apes, while everything from Homo Erectus onwards was fully human.

Originally Posted by juvenissun View Post
A very simple answer from a layman is: The classification was wrong. They are not two species of the genus. (hey, I know nothing about the content, it is just a logic answer).
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Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus I knew I should have stayed awake in Evolution class
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That's because there never was such a class.
There wasn't?

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