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Old 28th October 2012, 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by SkyWriting View Post
It's part of the natural historic temperature swing of the earth. It's very likely that human CO2 release has pushed the normal cycle faster and harder than normal. But there has always been a global temp swing.

As you can see on the far right, we are still below the normal high spike. It may go even higher than any other spike.

I have a space heater in my sons room going right now. In China some kids huddled together right now because they have no heater in their house. I'm not going to deny them a heater. And we could all stand to have better employment in the world. Likely the global recession is due to uncertainty due to global warming panic.

Temperatures haven't increased beyond the highs we've seen in the past 400,000 years, but CO2 has which may lead to breakout temps.
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Old 3rd November 2012, 04:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Viren View Post
Temperatures haven't increased beyond the highs we've seen in the past 400,000 years, but CO2 has which may lead to breakout temps.
I agree completely. But the temps are still 5 degrees short of historic maximums for a normal swing. I agree, we can expect even higher temps this cycle. The point being that we are not preparing for the normal historic high temps. "They" are trying to brainwash us into thinking if we just eliminate all fossil fuel use we can stop the inevitable. I'm trying to get the word out, that we need to get busy and prepare for some real heat problems. Not to wok to shut down the global economy in a wasted effort to stop climate change. That's asking the rest of the world to stop developing. A pretty heartless stand to take while we text and drive at the same time as eating fast food kept in the food cooler of the SUV.
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Originally Posted by SkyWriting View Post
I agree completely. But the temps are still 5 degrees short of historic maximums for a normal swing. I agree, we can expect even higher temps this cycle. The point being that we are not preparing for the normal historic high temps. "They" are trying to brainwash us into thinking if we just eliminate all fossil fuel use we can stop the inevitable. I'm trying to get the word out, that we need to get busy and prepare for some real heat problems. Not to wok to shut down the global economy in a wasted effort to stop climate change. That's asking the rest of the world to stop developing. A pretty heartless stand to take while we text and drive at the same time as eating fast food kept in the food cooler of the SUV.
Dr. Chaim Tejman asserts that plants are the key to stabilization of climate. His idea seems to agree with Isaiah chapter 35.


Global Warming


Our environment is obviously undergoing major changes, and I believe that trees have a vital role in the atmospheric balance. Trees possess the ability to absorb much of the incoming energy. Gradually, trees that have absorbed energy submerge beneath the ground and turn into coal. Mankind is presently consuming unprecedented amounts of energy. Instead of storing the energy, like nature, we are releasing it into the atmosphere. Therefore, an international effort must be made to stop cutting down trees and to plant as many more as possible.
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Originally Posted by DennisTate View Post
Dr. Chaim Tejman asserts that plants are the key to stabilization of climate. His idea seems to agree with Isaiah chapter 35.


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Its not as bad as that. One research team documented an increase of biomass of 300% in two years in the 100square feet they monitored.
In other words, the plants will thrive without human effort.
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Originally Posted by SkyWriting View Post
Its not as bad as that. One research team documented an increase of biomass of 300% in two years in the 100square feet they monitored.
In other words, the plants will thrive without human effort.
The real problem is that climatic zones are changing. Agricultural areas will not be able to move with them due to urbanization. And what about changing global watersheds?

Global Warming Shifts The Monsoon Circulation, Drying South Asia - Annamalai et al. (2012)
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The real problem is that climatic zones are changing. Agricultural areas will not be able to move with them due to urbanization. And what about changing global watersheds?

Global Warming Shifts The Monsoon Circulation, Drying South Asia - Annamalai et al. (2012)
Historically climate change is nothing new. We're going need huge amounts of energy to adapt to the changes, and move populations. Likely more energy than what has ever been used up till now. It's the left that is being far, far too conservative about CHANGE. Here's an opportunity to globalize government and call for a rebuilding of society from the ground up in new locations worldwide, with planned cities and government services and everything. And they're calling for solar & wind power. Winds will be shifting to new patterns, becoming more erratic and as temps increase cloud cover will increase. As the paper mentions.

I'm not saying I'm for global government. Just that the left is missing their golden opportunity and whining for conservation. Oddly.

We are more likely to get the population of Asia excited
about finding more sources of energy to use to build new cities.



Less likely to get them excited about shutting down all their industrial
growth and hunkering down with windmills and solar panels
and watching J.R. Ewing on their mini ipads.
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Originally Posted by SkyWriting View Post
Its not as bad as that. One research team documented an increase of biomass of 300% in two years in the 100square feet they monitored.
In other words, the plants will thrive without human effort.

Interesting!

Part of the reason for this is that plants, up to a point, love the extra atmospheric CO2!
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Originally Posted by DennisTate View Post
Interesting! Part of the reason for this is that plants, up to a point, love the extra atmospheric CO2!
And we grow food so...we got that goin for us.

I couldn't find that old article. It may have been due to wetter conditions. Biomass quickly increases with moisture. But here is another study:
Changes in Tree Growth, Biomass and Vegetation Over a 13-Year Period in the Swedish Sub-Arctic

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Tree and shrub expansion over the past 34 years at the... [Ambio. 2011] - PubMed - NCBI
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Originally Posted by DennisTate View Post
Interesting!

Part of the reason for this is that plants, up to a point, love the extra atmospheric CO2!
Conversely, life in the oceans are threatened most by acidification. The idea that plants like CO2 just doesn't fly either.

http://resources.metapress.com/pdf-p...5&size=largest
Sharply increased insect herbivory during the Paleocene–Eocene Thermal Maximum
Carbon Dioxide Enrichment Inhibits Nitrate Assimilation in Wheat and Arabidopsis
http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journ...imate1694.html
Food for Thought: Lower-Than-Expected Crop Yield Stimulation with Rising CO2 Concentrations
What have we learned from 15 years of free-air CO... [New Phytol. 2005] - PubMed - NCBI
http://naldc.nal.usda.gov/download/17231/PDF

I get that idea that you accept anthropogenic global warming as a reality, but don't see a problem with it.
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