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18th July 2012, 06:09 PM
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18th July 2012, 06:28 PM
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Reps: 211,486,524,206,453,024 (power: 0) | | | How many usages of the word law are there in the NT? Frogster asserted that in one sentence Paul uses the word in two entirely different meanings, first to mean the Mosaic law and then second to mean the OT as whole. I would assert that there are more than this. The usage in Hebrews 10:16 is clearly different (the law written into hearts and minds of the faithful). The law of sin is a forth usage. I think that "God's law" is the same as Heb 10:16, so that is not a fifth usage. |
18th July 2012, 07:21 PM
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Not too many references to the law but there are some in this paragraph: Originally Posted by Nanopants ... give alms of such things as you have; then indeed all things are clean to you. -Luke 11:41
And if we do not have this faith, and we return to following lists of ordinances as if they can make us holy, we are not cleansed, and those same desires which are forbidden by the law remain present in the heart. Moreover, if we assume we are made holy by them, and we judge even the unbelievers according to the laws by which we were found guilty, then we face the wrath of God.
I have to ask you, where does this come from? "Going back to ordinances as if they can make you holy", I can't relate to this at all. Does this come from your life experience or the life experience of anyone you know? |
18th July 2012, 07:33 PM
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Reps: 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 (power: 9,223,372,036,854,904) | | Originally Posted by New Wineskin If the Law was so great , why did Paul and the apostles decide to receive to a new covenant ?
And why did the council of Jerusalem just outright say.... YES, you have to get circumsized and keep the sabbath and dietary laws and better instruct them on the OT Law... nope it doesn't say that at all.
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18th July 2012, 09:25 PM
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Reps: 660,242,651,141,856,640 (power: 660,242,651,141,871) | | Originally Posted by frogster the law put enmity between people, is that agape? eph 2;15.
besides, i showed ya, it was an eye for an eye under the law...
john 7;19 they had the law, as they sought to kill Jesus..
dude....
so u r fusing two things, the agape was not under law, also are we to then we have to think no one could ever love pre-law?
Paul even said, one might for another, that was not love?
rom 5:7 For one will scarcely die for a righteous person—though perhaps for a good person one would dare even to die—
greater love has no man, than to lay down his life for another, said Jesus, so rom 5:7 proves great love without law.
but answer this question, if one could love perfectly without the law, why would Christ waste His breath and mention it half a dozen times in the new testament?
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19th July 2012, 03:48 AM
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19th July 2012, 03:51 AM
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I have to ask you, where does this come from? "Going back to ordinances as if they can make you holy", I can't relate to this at all. Does this come from your life experience or the life experience of anyone you know? Therefore, if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as [though] living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations-- "Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle," which all concern things which perish with the using--according to the commandments and doctrines of men? These things indeed have an appearance of wisdom in self-imposed religion, [false] humility, and neglect of the body, [but are] of no value against the indulgence of the flesh. -Col 2:20-23 For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness, for the law made nothing perfect; on the other hand, [there is the] bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God. -Heb 7:18,19 Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh? Have you suffered so many things in vain--if indeed [it was] in vain? Therefore He who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you, [does He do it] by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? -Gal 3:3-5
I tried following the law once when I was a younger Christian. It kept me in a prison of fear until I busted out like an escaped convict. Later I learned of a more "excellent way".
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19th July 2012, 08:54 AM
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