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Kindergarten Graduation In Gaza

The kids get into the spirit of the occasion:

One child, Hamza, wearing the uniform of the Al Quds Brigades of Islamic Jihad and carrying a wooden weapon, said “I love the resistance and the martyrs and Palestine, and I want to blow up the most Zionists in a process of martyrdom and kill them.”
Kindergarten Graduation In Gaza | Power Line

Pictures of the event are included.

And the cycle continues...
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Its funny how here in the west we show a small even like this and make it seem like all the Palestinians are violent and continue on a cycle of violence. Why not cover the little Israeli kids that write messages on missiles that go to kill Palestinians or other Arabs? Why not cover the non-violent protesters on both sides trying to find a peace solution? Oh right, because we want to make one side look like savages, so we don't feel so bad when the war machine drops bombs on them. "Oh, dead Palestinian kids? Well, its probably better they are dead. They might grow up to kill Israelis".
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Originally Posted by Touma View Post
Its funny how here in the west we show a small even like this and make it seem like all the Palestinians are violent and continue on a cycle of violence. Why not cover the little Israeli kids that write messages on missiles that go to kill Palestinians or other Arabs? Why not cover the non-violent protesters on both sides trying to find a peace solution? Oh right, because we want to make one side look like savages, so we don't feel so bad when the war machine drops bombs on them. "Oh, dead Palestinian kids? Well, its probably better they are dead. They might grow up to kill Israelis".
I find your post hilarious*, considering how the last time we discussed it, you wanted to paint the Palestinians as having "just cause" for what they did, and wouldn't admit that they're both in the wrong, like I was arguing.

*"Hilarious" like how a clown ran over by a semi full of whoopie cushions is darkly humorous and yet so, so very sad at the same time.
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That's just awful ...
I know, and we (as a people in general) can't even get together enough to condemn these sorts of things whenever they happen.
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I find your post hilarious*, considering how the last time we discussed it, you wanted to paint the Palestinians as having "just cause" for what they did, and wouldn't admit that they're both in the wrong, like I was arguing.

*"Hilarious" like how a clown ran over by a semi full of whoopie cushions is darkly humorous and yet so, so very sad at the same time.
As I said then and will say until I die.... Occupied people have a right to to overthrow their occupiers. They do not have a right to blow innocent people up. I, of course, condemn groups like Hamas and those who wish to use children and the youth to carry out suicide bombings. However, I do support the general Palestinian uprising, and I would appreciate if people like you would quit making it seem like Palestinians are blood thirsty animals that don't care about their children.

Or else, I can make it sound like you, a white heterosexual CHristian male is in the same group as a say...White Supremacists or Westboro baptist. Or I can treat you like the person that you are and make it known that the are smaller crazy groups of people within large groups of people that make the rest look bad..And I can choose to ignore those smaller groups, because I know they do not represent the others.


The same is true with Palestinians. Far more Palestinians are willing to to have non-violent protests akin to our own civil rights movement, than to strap on a vest of explosives. I get so tired of the propaganda.
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Originally Posted by Touma View Post
As I said then and will say until I die.... Occupied people have a right to to overthrow their occupiers. They do not have a right to blow innocent people up. I, of course, condemn groups like Hamas and those who wish to use children and the youth to carry out suicide bombings. However, I do support the general Palestinian uprising, and I would appreciate if people like you would quit making it seem like Palestinians are blood thirsty animals that don't care about their children.
And where have I done that? My post is specific that this kind of stuff keeps the cycle of violence continuing. A cycle has more than one element to its process, which means I am not saying "See Palestinianz R da Evulz" I am pointing out a specific part of the cycle that can and should be broken.

Or else, I can make it sound like you, a white heterosexual CHristian male is in the same group as a say...White Supremacists or Westboro baptist.
A) You wouldn't be the first nor the last.
B) Which is hilarious because it's assuming what ethnic group I'm in.

Or I can treat you like the person that you are and make it known that the are smaller crazy groups of people within large groups of people that make the rest look bad..And I can choose to ignore those smaller groups, because I know they do not represent the others.
For your analogy to be equal, this would have to be the situation:
  • Whites and some other group in this country (let's say American Indians since you like that comparison) would have to be attempting to murder each other. Not one side against the other, but atrocities on both sides taking place.
  • Both sides have groups that are teaching their kids that it's cool to kill the other.
  • The ones who are interested in a more peaceful resolution ON BOTH SIDES rarely speak up.
  • Both sides would have to have their supporters who sanctify the one and demonize the other.
And even then, I'd still be saying that Native Americans doing this is a bad, bad thing. What would you be doing (apparently)? Asking why I wasn't showing the white people more often, despite my point being that both sides are wrong for doing stuff like this.

Oookay.

The same is true with Palestinians. Far more Palestinians are willing to to have non-violent protests akin to our own civil rights movement, than to strap on a vest of explosives. I get so tired of the propaganda.
You know what I get tired of? Apologists for either side. As long as neither side wants to admit there's not a good guy here, it won't end.
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Both Israel and Palestine are guilty of some brutal crimes, that's why the United States should not pick sides between thugs and stay out of that mess.
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Originally Posted by Touma View Post
Its funny how here in the west we show a small even like this and make it seem like all the Palestinians are violent and continue on a cycle of violence. Why not cover the little Israeli kids that write messages on missiles that go to kill Palestinians or other Arabs? Why not cover the non-violent protesters on both sides trying to find a peace solution? Oh right, because we want to make one side look like savages, so we don't feel so bad when the war machine drops bombs on them. "Oh, dead Palestinian kids? Well, its probably better they are dead. They might grow up to kill Israelis".
Produce a real picture or video of these Israeli children signing weapons , I am willing to bet you can't . The fact you reply like this shows you have zero compassion for these children raised to be walking bombs to die in the name of Satan.
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Originally Posted by Azadok2day View Post
Produce a real picture or video of these Israeli children signing weapons , I am willing to bet you can't . The fact you reply like this shows you have zero compassion for these children raised to be walking bombs to die in the name of Satan.
From 2006, war in Lebanon




Over 1000 civillians died, because a rebel faction that the Lebanese gov't had no control over decided to kidnap an Israeli soldier that crossed into southern Lebanon. These Israeli children are different from the Palestinian children how? Or the Lebanese children that were killed by the bombs being signed?

Oh, because the Israeli children are somehow the good ones in the conflict
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