Abortion and the Soul

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With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things and evil people to do good things, that takes religion.

What I don't support is irresponsibility and poor planning.
Not Using Contraception 46%
Changed her mind 8%
Can't afford 23%

I just realise that people (in general) are silly, have instincts, and make mistakes. People make mistakes all the time and I don't see why on this special occasion we penalise them for it. Recently I tried to pay for something and I had literally no money on me at all. I have no idea why I thought I could pay for it. Its not as if people choose to do something stupid, they just do it.

I can quite imagine that sometimes humans miscalculate risk and danger or even forget about it all together. Are they being purposely irresponsible or just human. Are their brains just not in logic mode.

I just have a problem with thinking we are naturally rational and responsible creatures and if we don't act that way we are broken. Of course we should aim towards our ideals, but it is more true to accept that we are naturally fallible and weak. People have strengths and weaknesses in different areas as well. To think humans are capable of perfect responsibility seems to view them as semi-divine, as if we work by different rules than animals. If we aren't capable of perfect responsibility then we can't necessarily be blamed for our lack of it.

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With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things and evil people to do good things, that takes religion.

I'm pro-life since I consider that life is created at the moment of conception. And to terminate that life would be basically terminating a human being. In the Bible, many verses when referring to various women say "she conceived a son" or "she conceived twins" (as in the case with Esau and Jacob). I don't think it would have been ok to remove the fetuses in the womb even directly after the moment of conception. In the Bible, when conception occurred, the child was already considered a human being no matter how many cells were present.

Considering that ~70% of conceptions fail, I want to hear what Stoneghost thinks happens to the overwhelming number of souls who never even make it to clinical pregnancy.

I understand that people are going to make mistakes, but I don't think there's an excuse for this case. Everyone I know was taught in the 6th grade (and every year after that in school) that if you have sex and don't use protection, you could have an unplanned pregnancy. I don't think it takes perfect responsibility to know that if you plan on engaging in regular sexual activity that you need to take precautions. There's a multitude of other risks other than pregnancy that goes along with having unprotected sex as well (some of which there are no easy-outs for like HIV).

There are certain things that don't take deep logical thinking to figure out, some things are just common sense. This isn't a "special occasion", people face consequences for their mistakes all of the time. For example, if you rob a bank, that's definitely a mistake, but I hardly think that the "I just wasn't thinking rationally for that split second" defense would hold up in court and get you off the hook.

As another poster mentioned, only ~30% of conceptions take. Statistically, that would mean that some of these people in the "Didn't use protection" category would've had unprotected sex multiple times before a pregnancy actually occured. If you have unprotected sex 4 times and get pregnant, the "I didn't know this was going to happen" defense doesn't hold water.

If you're going to have sex and don't want a kid: Guys, go the drug store, spend $3, and get some rubbers. Ladies, get on the pill. With the last girl I dated, we used both just to be doubly safe and split the costs.

You mention regular sexual activity, so would you be ok with abortion if it is the product of a one night stand?

It doesn't take perfect responsibility to know what to do when you are sitting at home, but it does take perfect responsibility to always recall and act on what you know in times of calm thought.

To be honest I have been mostly focused on one night stands. I agree that it is very stupid to not use contraception in a long term relationship, so the question to ask is, why do they do it? If it is so obvious why does it happen so much? Are they just bad people?

I totally agree, I just don't like to condemn people for their human nature.

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With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things and evil people to do good things, that takes religion.