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7th August 2012, 11:42 AM
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I wouldn't vote for the Republican party if my life depended on it.
And until you can show me an official papal edict that says Catholics can only vote for republicans, you are in the wrong as far as I am concerned.
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7th August 2012, 11:46 AM
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Reps: 2,097,883,218,400,066,048 (power: 2,097,883,218,400,095) | | Originally Posted by LoAmmi  Thank you. I am trying to see how the stances for Orthodox Judaism and Catholic teaching line up to see what common ground we have. Unfortunately, I think we start at a bad point since Judaism does not consider abortion to be murder based upon passages in the Torah. Sad.
well it really boils down to is the unborn child a human
if you think it is then you think abortion is murder
if you do not think it is then it is no big deal
it is kind of simple, like it boils down to this differance
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7th August 2012, 11:51 AM
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if you think it is then you think abortion is murder
if you do not think it is then it is no big deal
it is kind of simple, like it boils down to this differance
Well, according to the rulings, one is not to interfere with the process. Interference is considered to be a sin. But, yes, it based upon Exodus 21, the fetus is not considered a full human being. I suppose the common ground exists in the idea that we are not to interfere with the process generally speaking. |
7th August 2012, 03:50 PM
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Reps: 2,097,883,218,400,066,048 (power: 2,097,883,218,400,095) | | Originally Posted by Antigone This is one of those threads that Gwen was talking about.
I wouldn't vote for the Republican party if my life depended on it.
And until you can show me an official papal edict that says Catholics can only vote for republicans, you are in the wrong as far as I am concerned.
Antigone, you know I love you to death lol, and I can understand why people would not want to vote for Republicans
but I do not understand how Christians can vote for people who fight to keep abortions legal and expand the avalibilty of abortions
find a pro-life democrat, ok, vote for some 3rd party guy, ok
but to vote for people who believe that there is a RIGHT to an abortion! that is not a Christian belief
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7th August 2012, 03:57 PM
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Reps: 550,737,953,643,155,392 (power: 550,737,953,643,172) | | Originally Posted by Rhamiel Antigone, you know I love you to death lol, and I can understand why people would not want to vote for Republicans
but I do not understand how Christians can vote for people who fight to keep abortions legal and expand the avalibilty of abortions
find a pro-life democrat, ok, vote for some 3rd party guy, ok
but to vote for people who believe that there is a RIGHT to an abortion! that is not a Christian belief
It can be, though granted it's not a very good Catholic belief. But even Catholics are allowed to vote for pro-choice candidates if they feel the other issues outweigh this.
And I know I've used this example before, but the only party over here that really wants to ban abortion is also anti-Catholic and wants to build a strictly Calvinist theocracy. It's not an exaggeration. So what would any Catholic here be supposed to vote for?
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7th August 2012, 04:10 PM
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Ran Originally Posted by truthHurts77 the CatholicChurch teaches it is ALWAYS
morally WRONG
to kill someone
Do we normally kill someone on the off chance it may save the life of someone else?
who is to judge who is the most important person???
in these tricky cases
the Church may take a case by case attitude???
i don't really know
But it is never OK to murder someone
and besides... if an unborn child causes some health risk to the mother... why couldn't the child be removed ALIVE?
babies are living after premature birth
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7th August 2012, 04:54 PM
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Reps: 515,129,529,185,966,400 (power: 515,129,529,185,972) | | Originally Posted by Antigone It can be, though granted it's not a very good Catholic belief. But even Catholics are allowed to vote for pro-choice candidates if they feel the other issues outweigh this.
And I know I've used this example before, but the only party over here that really wants to ban abortion is also anti-Catholic and wants to build a strictly Calvinist theocracy. It's not an exaggeration. So what would any Catholic here be supposed to vote for?
Yea that would be a problem. |
7th August 2012, 05:07 PM
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I wouldn't vote for the Republican party if my life depended on it.
And until you can show me an official papal edict that says Catholics can only vote for republicans, you are in the wrong as far as I am concerned.
Antigone, I think that the problem people have is they vote on party line and I think that is wrong. There are republicans I would not vote for in a million years and I have in the past voted for Democrats (pro-life only), but there are some really good people who just so happen to be Republicans and who do a lot of good work.
I know that the media over here and what I have watched when I have spent time in your country, paint a pretty ugly picture of the Republican party as being basically capitalist pigs who only want to fill the pockets of rich people and keep the little man down and oh yeah almost forgot; they are racists to boot. But that is just not the case in most instances. Most Republicans are hard working people who want to be free to make a living and provide for their families. Also many of them try to live a good moral life and they see that certain things are just plain wrong and should be contested.
I would also say that most Democrats are the same type of people. To be honest I don't know that many Dems who are not hard working folks, but that could be because these are the only type of people I hang out with normally.
What has happened in this country is that the Democratic party has been highjacked by Statists and these people have drowned out the more moderate people in their party. The Repubs have been highjacked by people who just want to get along with the others in power because they want to be in power. The men and women that are honest politicans that go to Washington to make a difference are the minority in both parties and the ones who resist the temptations of power that is offered to them by the ones already in power are a smaller minority all together. And this is why our country is in a mess and will continue to be until a miracle happens IMHO.  |
7th August 2012, 05:17 PM
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What has happened in this country is that the Democratic party has been highjacked by Statists and these people have drowned out the more moderate people in their party. The Repubs have been highjacked by people who just want to get along with the others in power because they want to be in power. The men and women that are honest politicans that go to Washington to make a difference are the minority in both parties and the ones who resist the temptations of power that is offered to them by the ones already in power are a smaller minority all together. And this is why our country is in a mess and will continue to be until a miracle happens IMHO.
So you really do need a third party, or possibly a fourth one, or at least put aside the thought that many have that voting for a third party is a waste of your vote. I think it's important to vote for what you truly believe in regardless of the practical implications, and it would be a clear signal to the leadership of both parties that something needs to change.
Though in reality, I have a choice from over ten parties and it's still difficult; either I dislike the agenda or the people behind it. And there isn't a single party I agree with completely.
And just for the record, I don't have any problems with people voting for republicans. It's not my cup of tea, but hey, go for it if that's what your conscience is telling you. What really ticks me of is when people say it's the only moral option or when they ape everything the party says without a second thought. It ticks me off with the democrats too, but less because I tend to agree with them more. Admittedly this is unreasonable but then again I don't think anyone here is completely unbiased.
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7th August 2012, 05:31 PM
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