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Reps: 53,865,277,699,344,800 (power: 53,865,277,699,348) | | Originally Posted by Gadarene  Which book did Craigy Zacharias plagiarise this spiel from this time?
And the usual assertion about how life simply MUST have an external meaning otherwise we should is still state uncritically despite the number of times it's been pointed out that this is merely an assertion rides again.
Hey Mr. Gadarene! Sorry it took me so long to get to your post. I am trying to respond intently and respectably to everyone's post.
This work is actually my own. I did not want to cause anyone to stumble by referencing someone who has been described by a member here as "an idiot with a thesaurus". In order to prevent any slander by members here towards those who are respected authorities in their fields of research, I will not reference anyone else's work unless it is a direct quotation. 
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Reps: 53,865,277,699,344,800 (power: 53,865,277,699,348) | | Originally Posted by Belk If I bother to type out where I disagree with your post will you listen?
Of course I will Belk! You know I like talking with you. Now whats on your mind?
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10th July 2012, 10:03 PM
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Reps: 120,281,017,870,334,736 (power: 120,281,017,870,339) | | Originally Posted by Elioenai26 Several atheists here, I will not name them, have stated that atheism is: not believing in God.
Are they portraying atheism in an incorrect light?
Whether they are strong atheists or weak atheists, what is common to both is a lack of belief in a god or gods. |
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Reps: 204,543,538,207,281,248 (power: 0) | | | In my relationship with Samuel, an Atheist, I would browse Atheist forums so as to see what others like him would discuss on the subject. Ironically, by and large their discussions were about religion and the religious.
I guess then it shouldn't come as a surprise conversely when I find here that Christians seem to find Atheism of interest.
Though broad brush strokes like those in the OP, are not anything I'd deem genuinely philosophical. More akin to offensive and ignorant of Atheism as a whole, while predisposed to personal prejudice predicated upon obstinate refusal to recognize and correct said ignorance.
Atheism is the rejection of Theological doctrine and it's Deities. God's, God, Goddess, or Goddesses.
Atheism is not immoral. Nor does Atheism define Theism as Immoral as a broad sweeping indictment of Religion as a whole. Though it can be said that there are a great many examples of the religious who have comported themselves in a manner that is immoral. That in itself is not anything that Atheism itself, barring the Atheists personal opinion of religion, avows.
Atheism rejects all notions of Deity as source for all things.
While Theism accepts something taken on faith to exist, not fact, is the source of all things.
If it's a matter of proofs as to which philosophy can afford a more substantive argument for it's platform it's Atheism. Atheism recognizes one simple fact. Faith in Deity is not proof of Deity. Rather, it's proof humans can hope something they personally identify and align themselves with emotionally, spiritually, physically, as Deity exists.
I say this as a Christian seeker. I am not threatened by Atheists. They are not an enemy to my personal faith or of my personal faith. I know who I am and having had a boyfriend for many years who was an Atheist, I know who he was and I know what I learned of Atheists while enjoying our time together.
As is said, Faith precludes Fact.
If someone is perfectly secure in their heart of hearts being a Theist of any kind, then the non-Theist is no threat for being who they are, when the Theist expects respect for who they also choose to believe themselves to be.  |
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Reps: 120,281,017,870,334,736 (power: 120,281,017,870,339) | | Originally Posted by Elioenai26 Your hypothetical falls at the beginning. You as a human in this world (which is not hypothetical but actual) are created in such away that destruction is not desirable to you, but undesirable. No human, if asked, would honestly tell you that they would desire to be destroyed if an alternative to destruction were available.
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Reps: 120,281,017,870,334,736 (power: 120,281,017,870,339) | | Originally Posted by Amber Bird In my relationship with Samuel, an Atheist, I would browse Atheist forums so as to see what others like him would discuss on the subject. Ironically, by and large their discussions were about religion and the religious.
I guess then it shouldn't come as a surprise conversely when I find here that Christians seem to find Atheism of interest.
Exactly. What gets tiresome are the "why are you here" questions, and the presumption that God is somehow working - although the logic is never applied to the Christians who inhabit atheist boards (and they do exist). They're never presumed to be secretly wishing to be atheists. Though broad brush strokes like those in the OP, are not anything I'd deem genuinely philosophical.
Apologia of that kind rarely are, in my experience. More akin to offensive and ignorant of Atheism as a whole, while predisposed to personal prejudice predicated upon obstinate refusal to recognize and correct said ignorance.
Atheism is the rejection of Theological doctrine and it's Deities. God's, God, Goddess, or Goddesses.
Atheism is not immoral. Nor does Atheism define Theism as Immoral as a broad sweeping indictment of Religion as a whole. Though it can be said that there are a great many examples of the religious who have comported themselves in a manner that is immoral. That in itself is not anything that Atheism itself, barring the Atheists personal opinion of religion, avows.
In my opinion, the over-focus of atheists on the negative things that religion has done is often done in response to the level of unwillingness of the adherents of the religion to accept that they were done in the name of their religion by genuinely believing, albeit misguided, believers. That option is never even seriously considered, they're simply disregarded as not true believers.
What results is a total whitewash of religion's history, it is made to appear all good. So naturally atheists talk about the bad to provide balance, but this then comes across as "atheists think religion is all bad". Some do, to be sure, but it is not so widespread as people might think. If it's a matter of proofs as to which philosophy can afford a more substantive argument for it's platform it's Atheism. Atheism recognizes one simple fact. Faith in Deity is not proof of Deity.
There's more to the debate than that - and it's usually not an argument, but a counter-argument to the philosophical arguments of theists, which don't hold much water at all. |
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Reps: 120,281,017,870,334,736 (power: 120,281,017,870,339) | | Originally Posted by Elioenai26 Hey Mr. Gadarene! Sorry it took me so long to get to your post. I am trying to respond intently and respectably to everyone's post.
This work is actually my own. I did not want to cause anyone to stumble by referencing someone who has been described by a member here as "an idiot with a thesaurus". In order to prevent any slander by members here towards those who are respected authorities in their fields of research, I will not reference anyone else's work unless it is a direct quotation.
No, that's still not an excuse for plagiarism. Sources should be named where used.
If you don't want one of your respected researche....ok, I can't finish that with a straight face - if you don't want one of your heroes slandered, too bad. |
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Reps: 53,779,910,956,998,480 (power: 53,779,910,957,006) | | Originally Posted by Elioenai26 Thank you Redac, for your contribution to this thread. I see that you assert that atheism does not necessarily imply any of the other stuff in my post.
Are you saying that there are other theories that attempt to explain the existence of the material universe that atheists adhere to? If so, what are they?
I cannot speak for atheists as if it's some sort of bloc with a shared belief system. The only thing atheists have in common is lack of belief in a deity or deities. One could call many Buddhists "atheists" and you'd be technically correct. Atheism in and of itself does not imply any particular metaphysical belief; heck, I've met atheists who believe in ghosts and all that.
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Reps: 53,865,277,699,344,800 (power: 53,865,277,699,348) | | Originally Posted by Gadarene In that case, delete your signatures that misrepresent atheists.
You are the one that claims my signatures are speaking of or somehow incorrectly "representing" atheists.
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Reps: 53,865,277,699,344,800 (power: 53,865,277,699,348) | | Originally Posted by Redac I cannot speak for atheists as if it's some sort of bloc with a shared belief system. The only thing atheists have in common is lack of belief in a deity or deities. One could call many Buddhists "atheists" and you'd be technically correct. Atheism in and of itself does not imply any particular metaphysical belief; heck, I've met atheists who believe in ghosts and all that.
So basically atheists lack a belief in gods or God because they want to? Is this more correct?
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