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Where do Atheists and Agnostics get the basis of humans rights from?

I have always wondered this, and would like to know.

In my opinion, unalienable rights of all humans come from God.

But for someone who does not believe in God, where do they draw these rights from?
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The back of my cereal packet.

Where did you get yours from, before you became a Christian?
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Originally Posted by Blayz View Post
The back of my cereal packet.

Where did you get yours from, before you became a Christian?

Well I have always believed in God, even before I became a Christian.

So, to me, inalienable human rights have always come from God.

Although, I don't see why you would waste a reply with a poor joke response and a fire-back when I am trying to have reasonable discussion.
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Originally Posted by Proverb2717 View Post
I have always wondered this, and would like to know.
The society of which we live. We are a part of that society.
Originally Posted by Proverb2717 View Post
In my opinion, unalienable rights of all humans come from God.
Do you really believe human rights come from your idea of God? What happened when the Nazi’s decided the Jews had no rights and sent them to the concentration camps? What happened when the Christians decided Africans had no rights and enslaved them? Did your God step in and enforce those rights? Or did he wait until society stepped in and enforced them; what good are God given rights if your God ain’t gonna enforce them?

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Originally Posted by Proverb2717 View Post
In my opinion, unalienable rights of all humans come from God.
God just arbitrarily made them up for no reason?

Well very basically I think they come from the necessary negative value of pain and valuing of being a person. Alot more could be said but its late.
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Originally Posted by Proverb2717 View Post
I have always wondered this, and would like to know.

In my opinion, unalienable rights of all humans come from God.

But for someone who does not believe in God, where do they draw these rights from?
What sort of human rights do you mean? Because I can think of several rights that God never spoke about. What are these rights that come from God, and where did He lay them out?
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Originally Posted by Ken-1122 View Post
The society of which we live. We are a part of that society.

Do you really believe human rights come from your idea of God? What happened when the Nazi’s decided the Jews had no rights and sent them to the concentration camps? What happened when the Christians decided Africans had no rights and enslaved them? Did your God step in and enforce those rights? Or did he wait until society stepped in and enforced them; what good are God given rights if your God ain’t gonna enforce them?

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Ken, where does the society in which you live get it's foundations of human rights from?

Ken, you also answered your own paradoxical question within your reply about God's enforcement. God did enforce human's rights through the work of other men. The Nazi's were stopped, as was slavery. If God hadn't given man those rights, by your own argument, wouldn't the Nazi's still be running the concentration camps?
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Originally Posted by Paradoxum View Post
God just arbitrarily made them up for no reason?

Well very basically I think they come from the necessary negative value of pain and valuing of being a person. Alot more could be said but its late.
But the word "pain" would require a concrete definition to apply a "necessary negative value" (i.e. "one man's pleasure is another man's pain)
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