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30th June 2012, 03:39 PM
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I remember a while back there was a thread about how a woman was handcuffed while giving birth...
Well, it seems Florida has made sure that never happens again in their state. See #5. Human dignity for all! 5. Florida: A law forbids the shackling of women incarcerated during a pregnancy and immediately after giving birth. July 1 brings new, sometimes quirky laws - CNN.com
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30th June 2012, 03:41 PM
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30th June 2012, 11:04 PM
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And in the meantime Texas, I believe, wants to outlaw the use of college ID's as identification in voting?
College ID's always have recent photos.
We should have uniform standards of acceptable forms of identification.
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1st July 2012, 08:06 PM
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Reps: 238,136,892,119,045,088 (power: 238,136,892,119,060) | | Originally Posted by Fantine  And in the meantime Texas, I believe, wants to outlaw the use of college ID's as identification in voting?
College ID's always have recent photos.
We should have uniform standards of acceptable forms of identification.
But college IDs are also very easily forged.
"I lost my ID!" always happens toward the end, right before graduation, so that you can have a fresh one to take to the movie theater (which, of course, gives lots of discounts). Not that I would ever do such a thing now that I've graduated.... 
But yeah, how many people want a copy of my student ID?
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2nd July 2012, 07:19 AM
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2nd July 2012, 07:28 AM
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sorry... not to side track... 
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2nd July 2012, 07:31 AM
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Reps: 67,668,223,786,936,176 (power: 67,668,223,786,939) | | Originally Posted by Angeldove97 What if a woman WANTS to be shackled during birth? Isn't that her right since its her body? (this works for other "choices" )
sorry... not to side track...
Not if she is a prisoner, that is one of the major points of incarceration lack of autonomy.
I'm not saying laboring prisoners should be shacked except in very special circumstances. When I care for prisoners as an RN in a community hospital they are shackled on a case by case basis, but then I don't work in OB.
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2nd July 2012, 03:09 PM
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Reps: 52,561,757,736,460,896 (power: 52,561,757,736,476) | | Originally Posted by _Shannon_ Somehow college IDs (which as someone who has worked the door at a nightclub. I can assure you that they are very easily forged, and do not include a birthdate, and also that college admission requires a state issued ID in the first place--are NOT good enough to use as ID to get into a bar, so certainly NOT good enough to use for voting purposes...holy run on incoherent tangential thought, batman!).....and women being shackled during birth do NOT seem like they involve the same level of basic human dignity.
When I said "human dignity for all!" I was referring only to the Florida law I quoted. I did not mean "for all" to be equated with all the laws on the list of link.
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"When fierce temptations threat thy soul with loss
Think on his passion and the bitter pain,
Think on the mortal anguish of the cross,
Think on Christ's blood let out at every vein,
Think of his precious heart all rent in twain;
For thy redemption think all this was wrought,
Nor be that lost which he so dearly bought."
-St. Thomas Moore
"Trust in the LORD with all your heart, on your own intelligence rely not; In all your ways be mindful of him, and he will make straight your paths." Proverbs 3: 5-6
"Will you offer sacrifices to God and accept all the sufferings that He will send you in reparation for the sins that have offended Him and as supplication for the conversion of sinners?"-Our Blessed Mother at Fatima, Portugal, May 13, 1917
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2nd July 2012, 03:10 PM
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Reps: 52,561,757,736,460,896 (power: 52,561,757,736,476) | | Originally Posted by Fran75 Not if she is a prisoner, that is one of the major points of incarceration lack of autonomy.
I'm not saying laboring prisoners should be shacked except in very special circumstances. When I care for prisoners as an RN in a community hospital they are shackled on a case by case basis, but then I don't work in OB.
I'm not trained in medicine nor do I have a real grasp and the dangers of giving birth...but I would guess a woman in labor would either have difficulty running out of the doctor's office in the prison and/or that shackling them would pose a serious risk for personal injury to the woman while giving birth.
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"When fierce temptations threat thy soul with loss
Think on his passion and the bitter pain,
Think on the mortal anguish of the cross,
Think on Christ's blood let out at every vein,
Think of his precious heart all rent in twain;
For thy redemption think all this was wrought,
Nor be that lost which he so dearly bought."
-St. Thomas Moore
"Trust in the LORD with all your heart, on your own intelligence rely not; In all your ways be mindful of him, and he will make straight your paths." Proverbs 3: 5-6
"Will you offer sacrifices to God and accept all the sufferings that He will send you in reparation for the sins that have offended Him and as supplication for the conversion of sinners?"-Our Blessed Mother at Fatima, Portugal, May 13, 1917
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