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30th June 2012, 02:06 AM
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Reps: 25,498,466,627,727,844 (power: 25,498,466,627,730) | | Originally Posted by Skaloop  In the case of the OP, though, it was. And yes, in situations where it isn't just verbal, things are different. But that wasn't the case here.
He was pretty vague but even then, that is not my main point. Often, people in that age group are doing more than verbal abuse, even if not flat out hitting someone. There are a lot of variables there. It really depends on the situation, which is why I made a point of saying "the whole blame." Originally Posted by Skaloop True, but it doesn't excuse the violent response. Especially since people are not elephants.
And yet we act like them so often. As for the violent response, when the man was impaled for what he was doing, it shouldn't have been a surprise.
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30th June 2012, 02:18 AM
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Reps: 546,238,496,450,605,696 (power: 546,238,496,450,624) | | Originally Posted by HeathenWarrior He was pretty vague but even then, that is not my main point. Often, people in that age group are doing more than verbal abuse, even if not flat out hitting someone. There are a lot of variables there. It really depends on the situation, which is why I made a point of saying "the whole blame."
And yet we act like them so often. As for the violent response, when the man was impaled for what he was doing, it shouldn't have been a surprise.
And the elephant, were it capable of cognitive thought and the understanding of consequences for its actions, also shouldn't be surprised to be arrested and charged and sued for assault.
Unless someone is doing something that presents a direct physical risk, physical assault is not an appropriate response. I don't care if the teen in question got out of the car, gave the guy the finger, spoke disparagingly of the man's mother, insulted his wife, and commented on the perverted sexual proclivities of his daughter. That doesn't give him cause to beat the kid. He can beat the kid if he wants, sure, but that doesn't make it right.
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30th June 2012, 02:23 AM
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Reps: 25,498,466,627,727,844 (power: 25,498,466,627,730) | | Originally Posted by Skaloop And the elephant, were it capable of cognitive thought and the understanding of consequences for its actions, also shouldn't be surprised to be arrested and charged and sued for assault.
LOL, look up the story. It is actually really ironic. And you can't sue if you're dead... Originally Posted by Skaloop Unless someone is doing something that presents a direct physical risk, physical assault is not an appropriate response. I don't care if the teen in question got out of the car, gave the guy the finger, spoke disparagingly of the man's mother, insulted his wife, and commented on the perverted sexual proclivities of his daughter. That doesn't give him cause to beat the kid. He can beat the kid if he wants, sure, but that doesn't make it right.
If that is your opinion, then so be it. I personally would not lay a hand on the kid either unless he tried to, or made a move to, but that is just me. As I said, there are countless variations and countless different ways a single situation could go.
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30th June 2012, 02:27 AM
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Your family can. If that is your opinion, then so be it. I personally would not lay a hand on the kid either unless he tried to, or made a move to, but that is just me. As I said, there are countless variations and countless different ways a single situation could go.
Yeah, it is my opinion. And I know that many people would not have any problem giving the kid a beatdown. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, I'm saying that it shouldn't, and that if it does it isn't appropriate or justified just because the kid was being rude.
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Reps: 25,498,466,627,727,844 (power: 25,498,466,627,730) | | Originally Posted by Skaloop Your family can.
Good luck suing an elephant (I don't think they carry much, unless you count...no, I don't think that would work out). Maybe the Zoo, but what the guy was doing would probably not be seen in the family's favor. But all I know about is the story itself. Originally Posted by Skaloop Yeah, it is my opinion. And I know that many people would not have any problem giving the kid a beatdown. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, I'm saying that it shouldn't, and that if it does it isn't appropriate or justified just because the kid was being rude.
I know those too. And I would be lying if I said I wouldn't be tempted. But I'm just gonna let this one go. Have a good un'.
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You too. G'night.
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30th June 2012, 02:50 AM
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Reps: 40,520,555,868,544,144 (power: 40,520,555,868,555) | | Originally Posted by miniverchivi Your thoughts?
I can sympathize with your feelings about the event, except I find it abhorrent that you would be willing to lie to the police about such a thing. I think most of us fantasize about putting people like that in their place with a well placed uppercut or a karate kick. But it's generally a very bad idea to act on these primitive emotions. I always avoid violence, as the rational part of my brain has the veto.
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Reps: 57,927,882,515,930,272 (power: 57,927,882,515,933) | | Originally Posted by HeathenWarrior Usually, the one who hits first is the one that takes the whole blame for it, as sad as that can sometimes be. But if they ever lay a hand on you, then all bet's are off...
Not in Oregon. You can go to jail for defending yourself, even if the guy is breaking into your house with a gun.
As for the OP... I can't approve of the marine's solution but he had the right attitude. Those kids need a lesson. Their parents certainly aren't providing the discipline they need.
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Reps: 25,498,466,627,727,844 (power: 25,498,466,627,730) | | Originally Posted by DCJazz Not in Oregon. You can go to jail for defending yourself, even if the guy is breaking into your house with a gun.
Please tell me you're joking...Please. I have lost enough faith in humanity. I don't need to lose more...
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30th June 2012, 03:20 AM
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