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Unread 29th June 2012, 03:39 PM
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Stolen valor SCOTUSS decision

The nation's top court voted 6-3 on Thursday that the Stolen Valor Act of 2006 infringes upon speech protected by the First Amendment. The law, which was enacted amid the U.S. wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, targeted those who made bogus claims about receiving the Medal of Honor or other military decorations. The retooled Stolen Valor Act of 2011 wouldn't stop barroom boasting about bogus service, but would take aim at people who benefit financially or otherwise from their phony claims.
Read more: Lawmakers retarget ‘valor’ thieves after court rules bogus military boasts are free speech | Fox News

Did they rule that lying about service is protected free speech as long as it doesn't gain the person financially?
Because lying has never been protected as free speech.

If a person writes it on an application and signs it as true it is making a false statement and is punishable.

It is dispicable for any person to claim honors that only our war veterans should lay claim too. This is true for civilians(never served) but worse for veterans, who should know better. For drink or prestiege.
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Unread 29th June 2012, 05:37 PM
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Congress may be able to write a better law now that this one has been through the system. Sure hope so.
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Originally Posted by TerranceL View Post
Corporations are people, penalties are now taxes, and fraud is legal.

What a great supreme court we have.
Lying's not necessarily fraud.
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Unread 30th June 2012, 08:48 AM
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There'd be a lot of people from this forum in prison now if lying was a crime.
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Originally Posted by TerranceL View Post
Corporations are people, penalties are now taxes, and fraud is legal.

What a great supreme court we have.
Lying doesn't necessarily equal fraud. That's why they needed this specific act (plus, the legislators get to look all pro-military and macho) - lying for gain has been, and still is, fraud and already prosecutable. The fellow that they used this against didn't actually materially gain from his lies - I'd think that libertarians would be awfully wary about the government saying speech for speeches sake, which doesn't cause harm to anyone else, should be illegal.

Your other two mischaracterizations are no better. Corporations are person-like entities for reasons historical and legal; that particular construction is necessary for modern business and, while a separate entity could be constructed legislatively, it would be a bureaucratic nightmare to update legislation and make sure you eliminated loopholes and potential glitches. As for penalties being taxes - it's perfectly easy to see how the health care penalty is a tax in the legal sense. Just because the government says, "It's not a tax" doesn't mean it's not.
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Originally Posted by Billnew View Post
Did they rule that lying about service is protected free speech as long as it doesn't gain the person financially?
Because lying has never been protected as free speech.
To be fair lying in general isn't illegal and this sort of law could easily be the start to a slippery slope to allow law enforcement an end run around or basic constitutional rights.

If a person writes it on an application and signs it as true it is making a false statement and is punishable.
I believe that would qualify as fraud because your employer hires you and therefore is paying you to do a job that this law doesn't require the person commiting desceit to recieve any sort of finicial benefit.

Originally Posted by cow451 View Post
Congress may be able to write a better law now that this one has been through the system. Sure hope so.
Or they'll go a smarter and instead focus on the cases that would actaully qualify as fraud making tougher penalties say maybe sentence enhancement of 5 years added on for each incident.
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Originally Posted by Billnew View Post
Read more: Lawmakers retarget ‘valor’ thieves after court rules bogus military boasts are free speech | Fox News

Did they rule that lying about service is protected free speech as long as it doesn't gain the person financially?
Because lying has never been protected as free speech.

If a person writes it on an application and signs it as true it is making a false statement and is punishable.

It is dispicable for any person to claim honors that only our war veterans should lay claim too. This is true for civilians(never served) but worse for veterans, who should know better. For drink or prestiege.
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Because lying has never been protected as free speech.
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FYI That was a constantly protected Legal LIE.

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Originally Posted by pgp_protector View Post
FYI That was a constantly protected Legal LIE.

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