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Unread 25th June 2012, 03:46 PM
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Planned Parenthood is mounting a campaign to combat state laws in Tennesse, Michigan, and Pennsylvania designed to protect the health of women.

At issue are controversial laws requiring abortion providers to have admitting privileges at local hospitals, which require providers to meet certain medical and professional standards.

While the state abortion clinic restrictions followed Planned Parenthood's own "internal treatment protocols," the family planning organization still opposed the bills, Burke Said. "They're desperate to oppose state oversight, any outside oversight policing their actions."
Found: Anti-Regulation Liberals | Washington Free Beacon

In the case of Penn. the existing regulations should be observed, not add new rules if there are laws already on the books to deal with it. Overall, I think it's a good idea to require these clinics to meet the same standards as hospitals, why shouldn't they?
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Liberals are not opposed to regulations, just regulation on things they favor.
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Originally Posted by RedPaddy View Post
Liberals are not opposed to regulations, just regulation on things they favor.
I think you're a little confused, it isn't liberals who claim to be ideologically opposed to regulation.
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did you even read the OP? lol
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Yes, and hopefully those laws will require more oversight for the abortion clinics.
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Originally Posted by RedPaddy View Post
did you even read the OP? lol
Yes and conversely it shows some conservatives who are not against regulateing things like abortion clinics (which seems to be the only thing they actually want to be regulated).

Oh, I forgot womens bodies, thats the other thing they want to regulate..

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Yes and conversely it shows some conservatives who are not against regulateing things like abortion clinics (which seems to be the only thing they actually want to be regulated).

Oh, I forgot womens bodies, thats the other thing they want to regulate..
How cute! Wanting the clinics to be safe, sanitary, and prepared in case of complications is now evil?
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Originally Posted by RedPaddy View Post
Liberals are not opposed to regulations, just regulation on things they favor.
Even that isn't true.

Originally Posted by Rion View Post
Found: Anti-Regulation Liberals | Washington Free Beacon

In the case of Penn. the existing regulations should be observed, not add new rules if there are laws already on the books to deal with it. Overall, I think it's a good idea to require these clinics to meet the same standards as hospitals, why shouldn't they?
Outpatient clinics are not hospitals. This is patently disingenuous as this bill applies to only one kind of clinic which provides a particular service. If this were genuinely about the health and safety of women, then the same regulations would apply to other types of clinics such as sports injury clinics which also do minor surgery.

Originally Posted by Rion View Post
How cute! Wanting the clinics to be safe, sanitary, and prepared in case of complications is now evil?
And do you think that the current regulations allow clinics to be unsafe and filthy? In case of complications, patients can currently be sent to emergency rooms of the local hospitals - what is the point of having the abortion doctor and only the abortion doctor admit the patient and continue the emergency care? No, this bill is clearly meant to limit abortions - perhaps sending women back to back alley operators, not known for sanitation or safety, or to self-abort.

In some parts of the country, there are no providers so one from another state flies in on certain days to provide this legal medical service to women. It is very unusual for a hospital to grant admitting privileges to a provider who is based out-of-state. HB 3808, then, is partially meant to keep women in Tennessee from having access to an abortion provider who might come in from elsewhere if the state succeeds in reducing our access to this degree. An example of the effect is happening right now – in Mississippi, where only one clinic in the whole state provides abortion, a similar hospital admitting law may cause that clinic to shut down completely.
See: An Update on Tennessee’s HB 3808, Another Legislative Attempt to Limit Access to Abortion « Women's Health News
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I love how it's a "war on women" when the only ones endangering women are those claiming to be fighting for them. It's pretty obvious by their response that PP is only concerned with themselves, and their profitability, rather than helping women.
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I love how it's a "war on women" when the only ones endangering women are those claiming to be fighting for them. It's pretty obvious by their response that PP is only concerned with themselves, and their profitability, rather than helping women.
I love how it is not a war on women when only women's health is under attack like this. As mentioned above, if this was honestly a health issue then these regulations would cover all offices that provide outpatient services such as sports clinics and dentists. But when these bills single out abortion providers and then people lie about why they are being singled out it is hard for women to not feel attacked.
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