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23rd June 2012, 11:24 AM
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Can someone come to Christ and turn to him to receive him and become a Christian without ridding from the soul, bullying, and racism, even just being impressed with Indian slaughter or it's results?
This is a salvation and justice question. | 
23rd June 2012, 01:45 PM
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Reps: 359,274,841,238,434,688 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by GoldenKingGaze The USA and Canada and Australia and NZ and India have experienced the patrimonious domination of such as England, bullying.
Can someone come to Christ and turn to him to receive him and become a Christian without ridding from the soul, bullying, and racism, even just being impressed with Indian slaughter or it's results?
This is a salvation and justice question.
That may be, but it has a simple answer: We can't get "cleaned up" before we come to believe in Christ as Savior and Lord. After we believe, He does the cleaning. | 
23rd June 2012, 03:19 PM
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Reps: 111,950,134,748,135,232 (power: 111,950,134,748,142) | | | WinbySurrender, a person who comes to Christ is then willing to be made clean? I know old fashioned salvation teaches repentance at the altar from all known sin and asking for "Lord Jesus" to come into the heart. And there is also something like amendment, in which we are willing to give up our sins and desire Jesus' justice and love and mercy... show mercy and to ourselves and ask for Jesus' blood. It can be an intercession and laying on of hands from a righteous Pastor. Then Jesus' blood does the work by his power, opens the heart, cleans the heart, justifies the heart, opens the way for Jesus to come in. Is that what you mean? | 
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Reps: 359,274,841,238,434,688 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by GoldenKingGaze WinbySurrender, a person who comes to Christ is then willing to be made clean?
Only then. He/she is unwilling before the Holy Spirit abides within. Originally Posted by GoldenKingGaze I know old fashioned salvation teaches repentance at the altar from all known sin and asking for "Lord Jesus" to come into the heart.
I don't know about "old time salvation" but I do know that no specific transgression needs be confessed to know Christ as Savior and Lord. All that must be confessed is that I am a sinner in need of a Savior, and I know Him only to be Christ the Lord. The rest of the cleansing takes place after that confession is sincerely made and accepted by God the Father. The cleansing can take a day or two, or years, depending on how yielding we are to the Holy Spirit. Originally Posted by GoldenKingGaze And there is also something like amendment, in which we are willing to give up our sins and desire Jesus' justice and love and mercy ...
That in itself is salvation, what must first take place before the rest can unroll in our lives. Originally Posted by GoldenKingGaze ... show mercy and to ourselves and ask for Jesus' blood.
We always are more merciful to ourselves than we are to others, and even though God shows us great patience and mercy, we still treat others with contempt and disrespect simply for being different in appearance, ideology, morality and faith community. Originally Posted by GoldenKingGaze It can be an intercession and laying on of hands from a righteous Pastor.
No one else can instigate our salvation. We must act upon the revelation of truth in our hearts made available to us by the Holy Spirit, and act on that ourselves. Originally Posted by GoldenKingGaze Then Jesus' blood does the work by his power, opens the heart, cleans the heart, justifies the heart, opens the way for Jesus to come in. Is that what you mean?
What you describe there is the entire salvation, justification and sanctification process. Salvation keeps us from judgment. Justification makes us righteous, not by our action, but by Jesus' death on the cross. Sanctification is being set apart, made holy, and though justification and sanctification are related, justification is instant while sanctification is both instant and ongoing, for the rest of our lives.
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Can someone come to Christ and turn to him to receive him and become a Christian without ridding from the soul, bullying, and racism, even just being impressed with Indian slaughter or it's results?
I don't understand this question.
Bullying is not consistent with being a Christian (Matthew 22:39), nor is racism (Galatians 3:28). However, I don't know what you mean by "patrimonious domination." Nor do I know what you mean by "Indian slaughter."
__________________ Lord, make me an instrument of your peace on this forum. Where there is hatred, grant that I may sow love; where there is injury, pardon; where there is discord, unity; where there is doubt, faith; where there is error, Your truth and not my personal opinion; where there is despair, hope; where there is sadness, joy; where there is darkness, light. O, Divine Master, grant that I may not so much seek to be consoled by people here as to console them; to be understood by them, as to understand them; to be loved by them, as to love them: For it is in giving that we receive; it is in pardoning that we are pardoned; and it is in dying that we are born to eternal life. | 
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Can someone come to Christ and turn to him to receive him and become a Christian without ridding from the soul, bullying, and racism, even just being impressed with Indian slaughter or it's results?
This is a salvation and justice question.
We Christians have a code of conduct which goes far beyond merely not committing certain acts while performing others. It demands that not only our actions conform to God's will, but also the motivations which culminated in those actions. We could call it the 'yardstick' for measuring whether what we say and do is 'in synch' with what God wants of us: So I say, live by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the sinful nature. For the sinful nature desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the sinful nature. They are in conflict with each other, so that you do not do what you want. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law. The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires. Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other. (Galatians 5:16-26,NIV)
Does hatred, bullying, and even the massacres of others conform to 'the acts of the sinful nature' or 'the fruit of the Spirit'? We both know that they conform to the former. Some men use the cross of Christ as a smokescreen in order to actually further their own agendas behind the wall of religiosity. But when their actions are examined in the light of what Scripture tells us that our actions are to be, and from what source they are to spring, then those actions are quickly revealed for what they really are, rather than for what their perpetrators attempted to disguise them as.
But Scripture is clear that the only motivations which God recognizes as being the proper impetus for our words and actions are the motivations which are listed as 'the fruit of the Spirit'. It is when our words and actions have those 'fruit' as their origin that what we say and do can truly be seen as conforming to what God wants of us. It is when they are accepted as the borders within which all that we say and do must originate that we truly act in a Christlike manner. The reason why the words immediately following the fruit's being listed are, "Against such things there is no law," is due to the fact that when they are the origin of our words and actions, those words and actions are seen by God himself as conforming to the spirit of his law, which is what he wants of us. | 
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When I was young, 18, I feared dying and the bad destiny away from God. I disciplined myself diligently to turn away from all sins, everything I knew was wrong, no excuses or passions. I asked God not to let me die often and prayed the recitation of the Our Father, Catholic faith and Pentecostal influence, with persons praying for me. Then one day, I fell on my knees and Jesus was there, and passed his hand through my heart and made me light weight in conscience, and I stood up exuberant. I gave testimony to a friend.
But I did not have a teacher to teach me consolidation of then receiving Christ, into my cleaned heart. So my testimony of receiving Christ is elongated and complex.
But that is how it began with me, later I received Christ asking for his life changing power without having just repented. But wonder if any pray the prayer to receive Christ holding onto a passion or something foul? Are they on their way yet? |  | | Thread Tools | | | | Display Modes | Linear Mode | | | |