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23rd June 2012, 07:23 PM
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Reps: 546,238,496,450,605,696 (power: 546,238,496,450,624) | | Originally Posted by thankful_in_VT  I've seen that movie. This thread is about media and its negative effects. In the case of the clips I shared the parents obviously are not censoring their children from more adult media.
You may find speaking in tongues disturbing but I'm personally not going to judge the way someone worships even if it's not how I worship.
But you'll judge the way someone dances?
Personally, it's not the speaking in tongues that is disturbing (it's just meaningless gobbleydegook anyway), it's the way that the kids are being forced under the thumb of some soldier-of-God wannabe. And yeah, that's worse than a Beyonce dance.
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I'd wager that more people have a problem with little kids dancing like Beyonce than have a problem with sending a kid to Bible camp. So no, you're answer to your own question is not correct.
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When your children are convinced that a lie is truth (ie: speaking in tongues)
There's a huge difference between sitting down with your child and explaining your belief system, and sending them to a camp where they're forced to participate in it.
"Hey kids, I wanted to explain to you some of the things in the bible and why I believe it"
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"Alright kids, we're all going to speak in tongues now, you need to do this so you can be a good soldier for the Lord!"
So while dancing in skimpy shorts (like in the video that was posted) probably isn't the best thing for kids to be doing...it's just an empty physical activity and has nothing to do with forcing the kids to accept a distorted reality.
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There's a huge difference between sitting down with your child and explaining your belief system, and sending them to a camp where they're forced to participate in it.
"Hey kids, I wanted to explain to you some of the things in the bible and why I believe it"
vs.
"Alright kids, we're all going to speak in tongues now, you need to do this so you can be a good soldier for the Lord!"
So while dancing in skimpy shorts (like in the video that was posted) probably isn't the best thing for kids to be doing...it's just an empty physical activity and has nothing to do with forcing the kids to accept a distorted reality.
As I said before, I'm not going to judge the way someone worships.
Glossolalia (speaking in tongues) may be the way someone, including their children, prays.
It is far from creating the damaging effects of exposing your children to inappropriately sexualized dance and music/television.
The objectification of the human body that occurs in pop culture disgustingly distances it from its beauty.
Introducing television to a culture that had not previously seen western images upped eating disorders, created body image issues, and generally ruined the native culture. The Media’s Effects on Eating Disorders Around the World
If you look at how women are objectified in pop culture it's easy to see how the effects of this are more damaging overall than sending your kid to church camp could ever be...even one that speaks in tongues.
Show me a study where church camp affected someones life to the degree of an eating disorder or having distorted perceptions when it comes to sexuality.
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Reps: 18,030,353,694,756,716 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by thankful_in_VT Show me a study where church camp affected someones life to the degree of an eating disorder or having distorted perceptions when it comes to sexuality. 
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23rd June 2012, 09:07 PM
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Reps: 423,288,690,875,867,584 (power: 423,288,690,875,880) | | Originally Posted by thankful_in_VT Glossolalia (speaking in tongues) may be the way someone, including their children, prays.
It's fine if it's by choice...being sent to a camp where they make you do it is a whole different story. Originally Posted by thankful_in_VT It is far from creating the damaging effects of exposing your children to inappropriately sexualized dance and music/television.
What are these damaging effects of which you speak? If someone links a certain dance to sex, isn't that really more their problem? Let's not forget...Elvis's dancing on TV caused some major backlash because people said the same thing about that...we look at that today and wonder what the big deal was. Originally Posted by thankful_in_VT The objectification of the human body that occurs in pop culture disgustingly distances it from its beauty.
Hmmm...if it's so beautiful, why do Christians in the US suggest that 90% of it has to stay covered? Originally Posted by thankful_in_VT If you look at how women are objectified in pop culture it's easy to see how the effects of this are more damaging overall than sending your kid to church camp could ever be...even one that speaks in tongues.
Well, watching a video on MTV might give a kids some new choice words to say that their parents aren't happy about, but it won't teach them that dinosaurs and humans lived on the earth at the same time.
When you're talking damaging...church groups can be far more damaging to society than pop music. I've seen church groups try to influence politics...I've never seen a group called "Lewd Dancers of America" trying to get legislation passed. Originally Posted by thankful_in_VT Show me a study where church camp affected someones life to the degree of an eating disorder or having distorted perceptions when it comes to sexuality.
How about every church camp that preaches to a bunch of 6 year olds that "gay is a choice"
I know there have been documented cases of gay teens resorting to suicide after their parents make them go to church camps. They get fed nothing but a bunch of garbage about how "you're not normal", "if you don't stop having these feelings, you're going to burn in hell", and "you have a sickness".
As far as the eating disorder is concerned...I don't think you're ever going to avoid that. Pretty & Thin pop stars aren't the only ones that are going to make young girls jealous enough to starve themselves.
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