I suppose I should just put all the members of the Landover Baptist church on ignore here, but I find it interesting that none of them are ever excommunicated from "christianforums.com"
What is the Landover Baptist Church?
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Well, now you have. It's not common, but it happens. It is not a rejection of Christ, and its certainly not a "loss of salvation" which isn't even possible.
Here's the problem that I have with someone who says they are a Christian but refuses to be baptized.
32 “Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. 33 But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.
--Matthew 10: 32-33 NIV
Jesus laid down baptism as the way that those entering the faith acknowledge that they are His followers.
Can you follow what I am saying here?
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The heretics he is talking about are Protestants.
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There's a place only a stone's throw from my house. It is where the gospel preacher George Wishart was arrested by the Catholic Church, he was later burned alive at the stake for preaching the gospel.
His martyrdom was the seed that sparked the Reformation here.
I believe that the system of the RCC if it could then it would still create martyrs of those who disagreed with it.
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If the Catholic Church is going to call us heretics then they'd better clean their own heresy up first.
What heresy is that?
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Yeah, I love the way this Father throws the word 'heretic' out there toward all of us. After all, they are the ones who coined popular use of that word.
I believe the Catholic church has a little more history for doing the punching (and torture) than protestants, even though protestants did a little of that themselves initially also, following the lead of their Catholic predecessors.
Yes, if what I've gathered throughout the history of the 'church' is correct, it was the term 'heretic' that was always cast upon someone before they were burned at the stake during the days of the power of the RCC.
It has always been the position of the RCC that all of us who refuse to bow down to the authority of the pope and papal sovereignty, are the 'heretics'. Well, I humbly stand as one such heretic.
So, I don't see anything surprising in the position and teaching of the author in question.
An article by Father Dwight Longnecker is titled “Should You Punch a Heretic?” The heretics he is talking about are Protestants. In the end, he answers the title questions with a NO. He concludes: “He'll probably punch you.”
Father Longnecker claims to be quite knowledgeable about Protestantism. He says he is a graduate of Bob Jones University, an ultra-conservative Protestant institution.
Yet the whole point of his article is to say that Protestants are violent. He gives no example of any occasion when a Protestant has punched anyone during a religious argument. Longnecker does not claim this has happened to him or anyone he knows.
Roman Catholics are always demanding more respect, but how much do they show for others? Casually lumping all Protestants together as “heretics” does show any respect.
Links to the first and second pages of Longnecker's article, Should You Punch a [Protestant] Heretic?
RCC terminology Heretic, Baptist have been called many things, Doctrinal differences has caused more than punches by the RCC. So it stands to reason that no respect is given to those that do not go along with the Pope and his believe and Doctrine. I as a Baptist understand that but even with our own denomination we also have doctrinal differences. The bottom line is what do you believe? Who's doctrine do you believe? and because I disagree do i take a punch? or worse?What would Jesus say and do?
Baptism nor the Lords supper are required for salvation.
You are saved by putting your faith in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. There is no other name by which we can be saved.
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. (Acts 4:12 KJV)
That means YOU. There is no good in man. Man cannot be the author of his own salvation because in man dwells no good thing.
For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. (Romans 7:18 KJV)
No man is good or pure. No man can ever make himself right with God by good deeds or works.
Who can say, I have made my heart clean, I am pure from my sin? (Proverbs 20:9 KJV)
The answer to Solomon's rhetorical question is "no one." Therefore, obedience to the Law of God is not enough to merit salvation.
Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. (Romans 3:20 KJV)
Faith in Jesus Christ, who is God, is the only thing that pleases God.
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. (Hebrews 11:6 KJV)
Because we can't do it ourselves, we have faith in His obedience, because He died for us.
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (John 3:16 KJV)
It's a free gift that is not received any other way except faith in Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who is God and Lord of all the Earth.
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. (Ephesians 2:8, 9 KJV)
If you believe on Him in His name, you SHALL be saved.
For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. (Romans 10:13 KJV)
Once we place our faith in Jesus Christ, we receive the Holy Spirit, which is the righteousness of God through Jesus Christ. Our sin dies, and we now Christ lives in us.
I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. (Galatians 2:20 KJV)
Because Christ lives in us, when God looks upon us, He sees Christ, not our sin. We now have no condemnation in the eyes of God, because Christ is in us.
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. (Romans 8:1, 2 KJV)
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We were created for the pleasure of God. Jesus Christ is our creator, not just our Savior and King.
God is not in our box, we are in His box. We don't command God, God commands us.
An article by Father Dwight Longnecker is titled “Should You Punch a Heretic?” The heretics he is talking about are Protestants. In the end, he answers the title questions with a NO. He concludes: “He'll probably punch you.”
Father Longnecker claims to be quite knowledgeable about Protestantism. He says he is a graduate of Bob Jones University, an ultra-conservative Protestant institution.
Yet the whole point of his article is to say that Protestants are violent. He gives no example of any occasion when a Protestant has punched anyone during a religious argument. Longnecker does not claim this has happened to him or anyone he knows.
Roman Catholics are always demanding more respect, but how much do they show for others? Casually lumping all Protestants together as “heretics” does show any respect.
Links to the first and second pages of Longnecker's article, Should You Punch a [Protestant] Heretic?
Baptism means you are dead in your sins and rise to a new creature with Christ. I can't see why any Christian would refuse to show their love for Christ and a visual sign for all to see they are one of his. I was baptised many years ago in a local river. The water was cold, but my heart was warm and I was blessed. If I needed to do it again.... I would today although the water is very cold as our rivers are spring fed. I am not ashamed of my Lord and I am willing to to show the world who my master is.
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