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20th June 2012, 04:06 PM
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Reps: 9,791,982,705,698,224 (power: 9,791,982,705,701) | | Originally Posted by savedbygrace05  Common knowlwdge. Besides, who knows what happens in someone's final moments?
It may or may not be common knowledge but that doesn't explain where it comes from. I think you might be referring to the alleged Lady Hope story which is known to be a fabrication.
A year before Darwin died it is claimed that he stated in written correspondence that" I do not believe in the Bible as a divine revelation, & therefore not in Jesus Christ as the Son of God..."
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20th June 2012, 04:48 PM
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Reps: 76,486,472,182,191,968 (power: 76,486,472,182,195) | | Originally Posted by savedbygrace05 I am curious to know how non-believers explain the complexity and diversity of life on this planet. At this time of year we see for example a rich and wonderful abundance of life bursting forth in terms of plants, flowers, trees etc. This is only a tiny percentage of what is in us in terms of complexity, variety etc. So, how did this all come about?
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I don't, as it assumes too much.
But if I had to give a direct answer, I'd say 'subjectivity'.
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20th June 2012, 05:07 PM
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On the issue of Darwin and a death bed conversion, so what if he did? Science isn't based on taking the word of one man and taking it as fact. Einstein famously never liked or accept quantum mechanics and he was wrong to do so.
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20th June 2012, 05:08 PM
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Reps: 140,613,307,169,252,672 (power: 140,613,307,169,262) | | Originally Posted by savedbygrace05
Simple matter is that there is no evidence that he converted on his death bed nor renounced evolution.
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20th June 2012, 05:32 PM
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Reps: 212,694,803,990,048,128 (power: 212,694,803,990,053) | | Originally Posted by savedbygrace05 Cmon, let's think outside of the box 
OK, you start. You try thinking outside your box first and we can follow.
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20th June 2012, 05:34 PM
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20th June 2012, 06:26 PM
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Meh, maybe i'm wrong...
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21st June 2012, 03:17 AM
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I'm no scientist, and I'm never going to invest huge amounts of time to fully understand the theory of evolution.
I would also say it's wrong to polarise creation v evolution - I don't think it's as black and white as that.
The Bible actually tells us very little about creation. But it says enough for Christians to know that God orchestrated and designed all of creation, but whether evolution was used as the mechanism to roll out diversity - we simply do not know because we are not told.
I don't see it possible that anything in this universe can happen by chance. I would therefore say that if evolution is the mechanism used, then this even more clearly points towards a God.
Does anyone really think this could all happen by itself?
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Reps: 212,694,803,990,048,128 (power: 212,694,803,990,053) | | Originally Posted by ianb321red Does anyone really think this could all happen by itself?
That's just as stupid a question as me asking "Does anyone really think this couldn't happen by itself?" The evidence shows that it is happening - all that you're putting up for discussion is whether your God is behind it or not. I doubt we'll ever prove it one way or the other but there are a number of oddities which (in my opinion) point to an absence of intelligence.
There are several examples of odd design which make no sense other than natural selection. One example - the giraffe's laryngeal nerve. A truly intelligent designer would not design it to take such a bizarre route around the body.
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