Do you believe in once saved always saved? If not, (2)

sarahjones1245 · #1 18th June 2012, 08:14 PM

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IOWLBNIF · #2 18th June 2012, 08:17 PM

Again...

I posted scripture...

im sorry you pick and choose which posts of mine to reply too

reply to the ones i posted scripture on

or cant you?

Im not gonna answer anything.....you havent even addressed 1/4 of what i posted....

Romans 8 backs up the question im asking about "how much is too much", so you are saying to paul "paul your wrong you using the fallacy of the beard"

if you dont remember this go back and read........cuz its obvious you havent read one iota...

posting scriptures with no understanding, doesnt get anyone anywhere.

IOWLBNIF · #3 18th June 2012, 08:20 PM

Also i gave you the word rendered for "will' in that verse

Your words were "and?"

So if you cant address that, stop posting the same verse.

Butch5 · #4 18th June 2012, 08:21 PM

im not sure about you butch........

But me being born again

i could never in my right mind disown God......

maybe you could :/

How can someone not disown God, even though they were disobedient to God to begin with?

Hmmm.........because he gives you the Power and the Strength and Refreshes you, so you deal with whatever your going through and you wont disown him

if a "believer" really has concerns that they could, at one time in the future, disown God, then they need to examine themselves to show themselves approved.........

Ill tell you right now, anyone who even thinks that, sometime in the future, they could disown God....need to check their Relationship with God

He cannot deny himself.................What in the World do you Think is living inside you when your born again? The Holy Spirit.......duh

This is why he cant deny himself, because he has a part of himself inside of you.....

again, you need to check if you are even truly saved, if you think that (not you particularly)

Show me in the NT, chapter and verse, where the HS gets taken from a believer.....

This aint the OT. The HS doesnt rest on us

it lives inside us

big difference

i cant fathom seeing myself disown God for any reason......

maybe you dont know the Power of that Which is God?

One's personal feelings have no bearing on whether or not salvation can be lost. You want chapter and verse, yet you didn't address the passage from Timothy. Do you believe that those widows who waxed wanton against Christ, cast off their first faith, received damantion and turned aside after Satan were still fill with the Holy Spirit?

IOWLBNIF · #5 18th June 2012, 08:23 PM

ive addressed this...

i said much more than that post......go search.

Butch5 · #6 18th June 2012, 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by IOWLBNIF

Again...

I posted scripture...

im sorry you pick and choose which posts of mine to reply too

reply to the ones i posted scripture on

or cant you?

Im not gonna answer anything.....you havent even addressed 1/4 of what i posted....

Romans 8 backs up the question im asking about "how much is too much", so you are saying to paul "paul your wrong you using the fallacy of the beard"

if you dont remember this go back and read........cuz its obvious you havent read one iota...

posting scriptures with no understanding, doesnt get anyone anywhere.

Do you realize other people are reading these posts? They see what you're saying. It is obvious to anyone following along that I have addressed the issues you've presented. On the other hand you left multiple questions unanswered and passages of Scripture unaddressed.

Please address the passage from Timothy.

Please show a sinlge passage of Scripture showing that salvation cannot be lost.

If you think Romans 8 back up your statement please explain how it does so.

That should be enough for starters.

IOWLBNIF · #7 18th June 2012, 08:29 PM

If they cast off their "first faith"

then they were never saved......

they where reprobates........Fake Christians.......

basing on what they "felt" or "what they thought they knew"

Reprobates dont know they are reprobates....

Ive given you scirpture that you dont want to address.......now im giving you understanding...

Scripture without understanding doesnt help anyone my friend......

you just keep posting scripture blindly........no understanding attached to it.....

"for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame."

all you have is scripture....

the evil one (not calling you evil) can quote scripture....big whoop

IOWLBNIF · #8 18th June 2012, 08:30 PM

since i have to do your leg work, i will post later.....

you havent answer jack my friend......not with understanding anyway...

Butch5 · #9 18th June 2012, 08:35 PM

i already know what your gonna say

"well we are talking about mans faithfulness not Gods"

Whats that verse i gave you

"if we are faithless he remains faithful"

Again, if someone thinks they are born again, but disowns God.....

They were never born again to begin with...

They based their being born again on a false set of emotions and never understood what the Gospel was

if you understand the Gospel, then you will know you cant disown God, if you are truly born again

Parable of the Sower....

Do you think man is faithful toward all 100%? lol ya right, your deceived if you think that

If you depart, you were never chosen

If your chosen, God will give you whatever you need in order to abide in him...

whether it be knowledge, strength, peace that passes understanding.....

The Lord will keep you.........

What about those self sabotaging types?

You think those people dont have a chance with Christ dont you.....

You think a self sabotages like being that? lol

Christ knows the struggles......so yes, he will keep the self sabotages, from sabotaging themselves...........The Lord keeps his people by any means necessary....

according to you, self sabotages have no hope in the Gospel of Christ..........

way to impede the way to the kingdom

o also, stop answering my posts in little snippets please......

you take what i say out of context most of the time

your starting to frustrate me with your lack of understanding, and you impeding the way of the Kingdom to all types of people

IDC about what the early church thought quite honestly

im not going to sit there and take what they say as Golden.......i cant test those people plain and simple

IDC about what the early church thought quite honestly

This quote speaks volumes. It shows that the only thing that matters is what you think the Scriptures mean. Even though what you believe (OSAS) can only be traced back in church history to the 1500's doesn't matter because it's what you believe. The fact that for 1400 years OSAS was considered heresy doesn't matter because it's what you believe. Is that correct?

We've already seen your statement about tossing Jesus' words by the wayside. The many passages showing beyond a doubt that salvation can be lost have been ignored. Thus it appears the Scriptures mean nothing also. It guess it's just what you say goes.

Butch5 · #10 18th June 2012, 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by IOWLBNIF

If they cast off their "first faith"

then they were never saved......

they where reprobates........Fake Christians.......

This is getting ridiculous now, you can't cast off what you don' have.

I guess you know these widows better than Paul did huh?