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Old 25th June 2012, 06:38 AM
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Originally Posted by iwant2knowzeetruth View Post
Is this for real? How did you hear about it?


I don't remember how I first heard about it, but the copy of it sitting a meter away from me on my bookshelf is ample demonstration that yes, this is for real!

Why don't you send a postcard and find out for yourself?

Peace, :-)

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Originally Posted by Arthra View Post

My favorites Quran translations are the translations by Muhammad Asad and A. Yusuf Ali.

I find Muhammad Asad to be most scholarly!
Muhammad asad's(an arab, if i am not wrong) translation is scholarly though he makes lots of assumptions.

Yusuf ali cheats heavily in some embarassing verses like muhammad taking his adopted son's wife as his own.He introduces words that didn't exist in the arabic verse(33:37) like marriage,divorce etc.
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Originally Posted by elahmine View Post
Muslims I once got a free Qu'ran in the mail, and it came with a booklet. I read a good deal of the Qu'ran. To be frank I didn't like. Of course, if I did I'd be Muslim. However, I have read claims that the Qu'ran was accurate about modern science.
The Quran is filled with 7th century arab's idea of science which means it has loads of nonsense.

Could you, please refresh me on those. How much do attribute them to ancient Arabs being a head of their time in astronomy and even math. (They came up with the number system after all.)
Arabs came up with number system????. Where did you hear that?.
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Originally Posted by JJWhite View Post
You mean you're looking for something like this...

The Quran on the Expanding Universe and the Big Bang Theory - The Religion of Islam

I'm always hesitant to try to insist that's what the verses are referring to, though. It's possible, but they are kind of vague.
That quranic science business is lot of skull duggery.The Quranic verses are not vague.They represent ideas of Muhammad.

the verse quoted 51:47 says heaven/firmament(NOT universe) created with ample space.Or the heaven was expanded with ample space.

There is no arabic word that says expanding in the verse.

As pointed out by loammi the next verse says earth and heaven were cleaved.

Also as per the next verse Heaven/sky is a canopy.

Here is a detailed analysis of the skull duggery.http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Qur%27an_and_the_Big_Bang

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Originally Posted by Rationalt View Post
Muhammad asad's(an arab, if i am not wrong) translation is scholarly though he makes lots of assumptions.

Yusuf ali cheats heavily in some embarassing verses like muhammad taking his adopted son's wife as his own.He introduces words that didn't exist in the arabic verse(33:37) like marriage,divorce etc.
So rationalt.. why not publish your own translation of Qur'an to "correct" the previous ones?
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Originally Posted by Arthra View Post
So rationalt.. why not publish your own translation of Qur'an to "correct" the previous ones?
No need for another translation.

When in doubt refer the original arabic verse.I remember pointing out to you earlier regarding yusuf ali fabricating some words in the verse 33:37 i mentioned above(Regarding muhammad taking zainab from zaid).
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Originally Posted by Rationalt View Post
The Quran is filled with 7th century arab's idea of science which means it has loads of nonsense.



Arabs came up with number system????. Where did you hear that?.
first comment is disrespectful to our Muslim members.

As for numbers Arabic numerals - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

more correctly Hindu, but we wouldn't have them today perhaps if it wasn't for the Arabs. Although I admit when I first posted about it I was in ignorance.
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Here's an example of what the guide book says about the Qu'rans scientific knowledge.
"(Allah is the) One who created the night and the day and the sun and the moon; all (celestial bodies), float along each in its (own) orbit" Anbiya 21: 23 the guide book says.

What does the Muslim community say about this one?
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Originally Posted by elahmine View Post
first comment is disrespectful to our Muslim members.
It is factual.I will leave to muslims to respond to perceived disrespect.

As for numbers Arabic numerals - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

more correctly Hindu, but we wouldn't have them today perhaps if it wasn't for the Arabs. Although I admit when I first posted about it I was in ignorance.
You mean but for the arabs the numbering system would have ceased to exist.That is far fetching.
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