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16th June 2012, 09:59 PM
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Reps: 551,597,708,770,376,064 (power: 551,597,708,770,404) | | | I would not call this young man a "pothead." He is a responsible, hard-working young adult who occasionally smokes pot.
Because he is responsible and hardworking he was promoted to manage the snitch-drivers.
And these were not cases where the drivers found hard evidence. They might have smelled an aroma of marijuana, but that doesn't mean that the marijuana hadn't already been consumed completely. They might have seen people who appeared to be young drinking, but they had no evidence the people were under 21--just a suspicion.
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16th June 2012, 10:10 PM
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16th June 2012, 10:32 PM
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Reps: 109,238,068,449,798,592 (power: 109,238,068,449,803) | | Originally Posted by Jro I got my cell phone on me to dial in every bad mudda who goes over the speed limit. Just doin' my civil service y'all. 
Go for it.
Was this example supposed to make me change my mind? I don't speed.
Actually, I thought of this as well but decided not to say anything. I consider it the same thing. Those people who speed and give the "everybody does it" or "it's not safe to drive slow" or "it won't affect me" excuses are just as cowardly as those who try to hide their pot smoking.
Statistics are statistics, dude. As a scientist you should appreciate that. This is risky behavior.
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16th June 2012, 10:47 PM
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Try driving the speed limit on the GW bridge - you'll become a speed bump. Some roads are safer to speed on just because everyone else is insane.
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16th June 2012, 10:54 PM
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Reps: 35,751,372,729,242,488 (power: 35,751,372,729,246) | | | Plus, yo, I lived in the Bronx and every single apartment hallway stunk of it. Sometimes whole city blocks would stink of it. In a hotel, a pizza man could easily mistake a neighbor's pot for the door he opens.
Long term though, I think that the Boss' decision is based less on his history with marijuana, and more on his business savvy. Who do you think are his best customers? | 
16th June 2012, 10:56 PM
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Reps: 26,139,272,666,498,996 (power: 26,139,272,666,511) | | | It would be ethical if anyone was being harmed. A pizza guy shouldn't be surprised that someone may have smoked some weed, and now, is hungry.
I don't think it is the pizza guy's responsibility to police the community, however. If someone is smoking weed, and pays for the pizza, that is all that either party needs to really about.
With underage drinking, it is a harder decision. I have a problem with minors drinking mostly because they do so with little experience, and having no chaperone, tend to drink til they puke, or make dumb decisions, like driving drunk, or having sex when they wouldn't sober. As kids, they still need guidance. So, I guess it would depend on how loud and crazy they were being.
At the same time, I went to parties when I was in high school. I drank in high school. I shouldn't have, but I did. Most people did. And because my parents are teetotalers, it was fun because it was so forbidden.
In college, I learned how to drink responsibly. I learned how stupid I act when I am drunk, and how I may do things or say things that I normally wouldn't. I learned that when you abuse your body with alcohol, it returns the favor the next day with a massive hangover.
The only time I personally would report something is if people were, say, making meth in the kitchen, and they had little kids in the house, or if a man was drunk and abusing his wife, etc.
Other than that, it really wouldn't be any of my business.
Personally, having lived in Toronto now for about 6 years, where people can smoke weed publicly, and have up to 15 grams without prosecution, I don't see weed any different than alcohol or tobacco, and think it should be legalized.
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16th June 2012, 11:04 PM
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Not reporting pot users IS a form of civil disobedience, and if you are for decriminalizing pot, it's probably one you use often. On the other hand, you can't expect everyone else to have the same view of the issue as you do, and if they choose to follow the law--reporting what they suspect to be a crime in action--then they shouldn't be punished for it. I think the manager should not fire the snitch-drivers, but if it really bothers him, should try to send them out to the suburbs more than the hotel rooms.
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16th June 2012, 11:23 PM
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Reps: 53,780,728,530,144,808 (power: 53,780,728,530,147) | | Originally Posted by Resha Caner Are you kidding me? You think it's unethical to report a crime? Wow. I think it's time for me to go live somewhere else...
Also, there are mandatory reporter consequences to not reporting some crimes. I don't know if it would apply in this case, but I suspect that if an arrest were made, and it was found that the pizza business knew about it and didn't do anything - there may be bigger troubles than a bad appearance. It might seem kind of funny to some, but in general the government is interested in enforcing the law, and they "encourage" everyone to do their best to see that happens.
Mandatory reporter rules only apply if you are a mandatory reporter. I'm not certain who all fits in that list but common examples are teachers, firefighters, and cops. And mandatory reporting only applies to a small subset of crimes, namely abuse, where there is legitimate concern that most victims will not report the crime for fear of reprisal. So (A) a pizza delivery driver is not a mandatory reporter and (B) even if he was he would be under no legal obligation to report marijuana use or underage alcohol consumption.
And yes, I do think there's something screwed up with you as a human being if you find it necessary to call 911 simply because somebody was enjoying pot in his own house. Normal people can mind their own business. I thought you would have gotten over spiteful tattling by the end of middle school.
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17th June 2012, 01:20 AM
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Reps: 144,021,154,974,221,744 (power: 144,021,154,974,231) | | Originally Posted by SnowCal Mandatory reporter rules only apply if you are a mandatory reporter. I'm not certain who all fits in that list but common examples are teachers, firefighters, and cops. And mandatory reporting only applies to a small subset of crimes, namely abuse, where there is legitimate concern that most victims will not report the crime for fear of reprisal.
Mandated reporting is a recent legal requirement. The duty to report a felony (or be guilty of a crime for not doing so) is different, dating back centuries to English common law.
They are not the same.
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17th June 2012, 01:33 AM
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Reps: 154,292,412,800,068,320 (power: 154,292,412,800,074) | | | Prohibition laws themselves are immoral and supporting them by reporting a person smoking weed would be immoral by extension. It's kind of like telling the master where his escaped slave ran too. No one has a right to own another man to begin with and by telling on the person you are supporting the immoral practice.
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