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yea, I get drunk in the spirit because i get filled to overflowing with the spirit of god and getting drunk in the spirit is the natural result of being filled to overflowing. Praise Him with all your might, and all your ability and if you do it often enough, you will evenetually get drunk in the spirit regularly. But it ain't gonna happen just singing a little ole song or two.
Originally Posted by IOWLBNIF
Is it biblical? Why or Why Not?
some say it is, there's some verse that could mean that, the one about being slain in the spirit, and the one about be not drunk with wine wherein is excess, but be ye being filled with the spirit.
But there is no verse that says it's wrong to get drunk in the spirit, so if the bible doesn't condemn something then it's ok.
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I really think its a matter of semantics. To be drunk does mean to be filled. The problem is however 'drunk' has a negative connotation that is frowned upon in the Bible, whereas being filled with God's Spirit IS Biblical. Let's not condemn people based on semantics, okay? Now one thing I will make note of, the epistles do stress order in the congregations, not disorder. Being drunk tends to mean disorderly, and I think some have taken this disorderly idea too far in charismatic circles.
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I really think its a matter of semantics. To be drunk does mean to be filled. The problem is however 'drunk' has a negative connotation that is frowned upon in the Bible, whereas being filled with God's Spirit IS Biblical. Let's not condemn people based on semantics, okay? Now one thing I will make note of, the epistles do stress order in the congregations, not disorder. Being drunk tends to mean disorderly, and I think some have taken this disorderly idea too far in charismatic circles.
Just curious, but do you observe all 613 laws of the Torah? I have been studying this matter of late, and how there was a dispute in the early church with John, Peter and Paul, as Paul was teaching so much against the law. It is obvious to me that the Gentiles were never meant to adopt the 613 laws, but perhaps to adapt to a Noachic law; the laws given to Noah, and Adam, and to also accept the teachings of Jesus, and the ten commandments. I think that Paul was in the middle of a big dispute, between the Jewish Christians and the new Gentile believers, and what was appropriate for both communities.
I have just read 'Jesus' Words Only' by Douglas J. del Tondo, and he makes a good case against Paul, as being opposed to the teachings of Jesus, who taught that the law was still in place, and always would be.
I really think its a matter of semantics. To be drunk does mean to be filled. The problem is however 'drunk' has a negative connotation that is frowned upon in the Bible, whereas being filled with God's Spirit IS Biblical. Let's not condemn people based on semantics, okay? Now one thing I will make note of, the epistles do stress order in the congregations, not disorder. Being drunk tends to mean disorderly, and I think some have taken this disorderly idea too far in charismatic circles.
i didnt think i was sentencing someone to hell, can you show me where i did?
Also, if your running around "being drunk" in the Spirit as i have seen on youtube, then there is no semantics about it.
Originally Posted by hiscosmicgoldfish
Just curious, but do you observe all 613 laws of the Torah? I have been studying this matter of late, and how there was a dispute in the early church with John, Peter and Paul, as Paul was teaching so much against the law. It is obvious to me that the Gentiles were never meant to adopt the 613 laws, but perhaps to adapt to a Noachic law; the laws given to Noah, and Adam, and to also accept the teachings of Jesus, and the ten commandments. I think that Paul was in the middle of a big dispute, between the Jewish Christians and the new Gentile believers, and what was appropriate for both communities.
I have just read 'Jesus' Words Only' by Douglas J. del Tondo, and he makes a good case against Paul, as being opposed to the teachings of Jesus, who taught that the law was still in place, and always would be.
And why do you think the laws are still in place?
i honestly and say this the best way i can, idc what some book written by some guy says
i care about what the bible says
if you put into question what paul said and wrote for the bible
then you put into question the whole bible
For the gospels were written by men, not Christ, so if you question what paul says, then you, by default, should question what Luke and Mark wrote down, for they were only hearing what was happening
Also, if the law is so important, then why did Peter send this letter to the believing gentiles
The apostles and elders, your brothers,
To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia:
Greetings.
24 We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said. 25 So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul— 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing. 28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: 29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.
Farewell.
^explain that please, and explain why the law is still in effect
so you justify your sins because the bible doesnt say anything about it?
do you also go to nightclubs? since the bible doesnt say anything about it as well?
The bible condemns drinking alcohol. So I don't go to nightclubs because nightclubs are all about alcohol. If they take alcohol out of nightclubs i might go then.
Originally Posted by IOWLBNIF
Being "drunk in the Spirit" is not biblical brother, you need to repent
you don't find drunk in the spirit in the bible so that is evil. but what about all the other numerous church doctrines that are not in the bible, like conformation? Is conformation evil cause the word isn't in the bible? I doubt you have any issue with that word, or many others, such as trinity, that are found nowhere in the bible.
Originally Posted by IOWLBNIF
your combining an unholy act with something that is holy, that is wrong.....repent
"dont be drunk with whine in excess, but be filled with the spirit"
does not mean "dont get drunk on wine but drunk on the spirit" im sorry to say
you should be sorry to say that you never praise the Lord in the dance. You should be sorry to say that you never dance before the lLord with all your might and ability. you should be sorry to say that you don't do those things on a regular every church service basis. And most probably you should also be sorry that you never got baptised in the Holy Spirit.
here's another proof. when they spoke in tongues , i.e got baptised in the holy spirit on the day of pentecost, they were accused of being drunk. Because obviously some or maybe all were drunk in the spirit. when one gets full of the spirit to overflowing it is an exillerating liberating feeling. One you no doubt have never experienced. I speak from experience, you don't.
For if you had done all those biblical things then you too would have gotten drunk in the spirit.
The bible doesn't list each specific thing that is allowable and each specific thing that is not allowable. The bible doesnt say anything about driving an automobile, or sking down a slope, or whether it's ok to put pews or chairs in a church building. IF the bible doesn't condemn something then it's ok. Going to night clubs would be condemned on the grounds that it is for getting inebriated. Drving a car is ok on the grounds there is no sin involved in the proper use of an automoblie. there is no sin involved in dancing before the Lord with all your might an ability. you can't do that on a regular baises without getting drunk in the spirit, or whatever you want to call it. Come back to me when you have decided to do what God says about praising him then tell me what you experienced as far as whether you got drunk in the spirit or not.
Originally Posted by IOWLB
you need to examine yourself
you need to do what God said to do.
Originally Posted by IOWLB
God is a God of order, not disorder............And ive seen some of these videos, and these people running around carrying on, is not biblical
repent please
Your idea of order is really stoicism, which is all pervaisive in the christian world. My idea of order is there is a time to praise the Lord, a time to listen to the sermon, a time to fellowship and chit chat etc. God is not a sour puss, man just wants to take all the exicetment and joy out of church services and make them as boreing and uneventfull as possible, and man has greatly acchieved that goal. but not universally. Some of us know God is not a sourpuss. God brings Joy, laughter, agape love, excitement, so much so that after a while it is more than one can handle and one falls to the ground unable to stand, one becomes light headed. But the good thing is there's no hangover from getting drunk in the spirit. I sorta suspect that God intends for man to get drunk to releive the stress of life, but the right way to get drunk is in the spirit, the wrong way is with alchohol.
So you can have your boreing stoic dead church service where everyone can't wait till the 30 min. service is over,, and Ill enjoy the joy and laughter and love that the Lord brings me by praising him with everything in me.
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i didnt think i was sentencing someone to hell, can you show me where i did?
Also, if your running around "being drunk" in the Spirit as i have seen on youtube, then there is no semantics about it.
And why do you think the laws are still in place?
i honestly and say this the best way i can, idc what some book written by some guy says
i care about what the bible says
if you put into question what paul said and wrote for the bible
then you put into question the whole bible
For the gospels were written by men, not Christ, so if you question what paul says, then you, by default, should question what Luke and Mark wrote down, for they were only hearing what was happening
Also, if the law is so important, then why did Peter send this letter to the believing gentiles
The apostles and elders, your brothers,
To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia:
Greetings.
24 We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said. 25 So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul— 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing. 28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: 29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.
Farewell.
^explain that please, and explain why the law is still in effect
Jesus said that the law was not abrogated. Paul said that.
I do experience what could be called drunkenness in the Spirit. Hard to describe. Sort of a swoony euphoria with warmth swelling in my chest.
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The bible condemns drinking alcohol. So I don't go to nightclubs because nightclubs are all about alcohol. If they take alcohol out of nightclubs i might go then.
you should be sorry to say that you never praise the Lord in the dance. You should be sorry to say that you never dance before the lLord with all your might and ability. you should be sorry to say that you don't do those things on a regular every church service basis. And most probably you should also be sorry that you never got baptised in the Holy Spirit.
here's another proof. when they spoke in tongues , i.e got baptised in the holy spirit on the day of pentecost, they were accused of being drunk. Because obviously some or maybe all were drunk in the spirit. when one gets full of the spirit to overflowing it is an exillerating liberating feeling. One you no doubt have never experienced. I speak from experience, you don't.
For if you had done all those biblical things then you too would have gotten drunk in the spirit.
The bible doesn't list each specific thing that is allowable and each specific thing that is not allowable. The bible doesnt say anything about driving an automobile, or sking down a slope, or whether it's ok to put pews or chairs in a church building. IF the bible doesn't condemn something then it's ok. Going to night clubs would be condemned on the grounds that it is for getting inebriated. Drving a car is ok on the grounds there is no sin involved in the proper use of an automoblie. there is no sin involved in dancing before the Lord with all your might an ability. you can't do that on a regular baises without getting drunk in the spirit, or whatever you want to call it. Come back to me when you have decided to do what God says about praising him then tell me what you experienced as far as whether you got drunk in the spirit or not.
o, i should be sorry? I must be confused, i didnt know that your omniscient and you know what i do on a daily basis.....forgive me
actually the bible condemns gettin drunk, not drinking alcohol
Just because the pagans rationalized it as them being drunk, does not mean that they were "drunk in the spirit" as you understand it.
All that means is they were speaking in tongues, as a babbling drunk would, and that was they only way they could rationalize what they (believers) were doing.
"getting drunk" in the Spirit, is not biblical, stop trying to rationalize that it is.
God is a God of order. Stop comparing an act that is unholy with something that is holy, you are in err
being filled with the spirit, and "drunk" are completely different thing, or "slain" as you have said before, these are ridiculous terms.
If the bible doesnt condemn something then its ok?
So i can masturbate? Im not being sexual immoral with sleeping with someone else. so i must be ok right?
im relieving some "stress", so it must be ok, right?