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Unread 13th June 2012, 08:09 PM
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Michael Voris update: RealCatholicTV changes it name to ChurchMilitant.TV...

And they have a new studio, too.

You may remember the controversy that swirled around this media enterprise last year, with the Archdiocese of Detroit asserting that Michael Voris is not authorized to use the word “Catholic” for his operation. Well, now that problem has been solved.

His announcement:

Michael Voris update: RealCatholicTV changes it name to ChurchMilitant.TV...
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June 13, 2012 By Mark Shea 15 Comments
changes their name to ChurchMilitantTV


I wish I could say I thought this was primarily an act of obedience to the bishop of Detroit, but since Michael Voris made it clear he had no intention of obeying the bishop and said “Hey! I just work here” while trying to defer it to Marc Brammer and his bishop (Rhoades of South Bend, IN), I’m skeptical that’s what’s driving it. In fact, it looks more like an attempt to cover up his link with Marc Brammer and E. Michael Jones, whom Voris gave a college try at mainstreaming a few weeks ago.
It’s not clear who owns ChurchMilitant.TV from its WhoIs. It was registered through a proxy, presumably for reasons of privacy. My money is on the bet that it is still under Brammer and Jones’ Ultra Montane Associates. So I think people still need to be wary. The proof, of course, will be in the pudding. If further efforts are made to mainstream Jones, you’ll know. If not, then good for them and I applaud them from backing away from conflating anti-Jewish kookery and its apologists with Real Catholic Faith[TM].

And no, it is not “uncharitable” to be wary of this move, especially since Brammer himself has made clear that he means to place himself in a position where he cannot be under the jurisdiction of a bishop. This fits that game plan.

So let’s see what they do next.

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I agree with this commenter...I also like her name, Aimee.

I agree with you, Mark. I watched RCTV for a year or so several years ago, but came to dislike it and quit. It was so negative, Voris a bitter, self-appointed prosecutor, judge, and jury. And the style of the show – calculated to get attention and cause scandal, like reading the tabloids in the supermarket. Even if what he says is true, it is done in a way so lacking in charity as to be a source of scandal in itself.

ChurchMilitant – what a perfect name for a militant, defiant guy like Voris. I’m sure it will just be more of the same, only worse. And I don’t look forward to the day when he bites the dust for good, like so many other Catholic “heroes” of recent fame who got a little too carried away with themselves, their popularity, their power, only to suffer the most humiliating public fall from grace.

And for those who’d like to shut you up, Mark – good grief, Voris makes a living out of publicly criticizing others. Yet no one is supposed to criticize him? Have people learned nothing from the Corapis and Euteneuers of this world, their supporters hotly shouting down everyone else because of what “heroes” for the faith they were? Yet look how they turned out.

The only heroes in my book are the saints – and they didn’t go around publicly criticizing and defying their bishops while trying to squirm around all the rules.
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Sometimes, I like the man; other times, I did not. I find that more often than not, he's right. I grew disinterested as he grew increasingly repetitive; repeating much that I'd already read elsewhere. Perhaps something else as well? ---- However, I just couldn't quite put my finger on it?

Just my take upon it.

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I went off Voris around the time I started to think that the self-appointed Guardians of Orthodoxy who patrol the Catholic parts of the internet could be a bit over-zealous and a little off-putting. My main criticism of him would be that he is divisive, which if it isn't a big issue, should be.
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Of course, anyone could be divisive. The Truth itself is divisive. However, is what he is saying:

1. True
2. Being spoken with or through Love

And if it not the Truth being Spoken in Love; then he ought to quit. If he is speaking the hard truths with love, that the bishops and clergy are not willing to say; then I'd say more power to him.

However, the question is: What is he doing exactly?
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Originally Posted by Evagrius View Post
I went off Voris around the time I started to think that the self-appointed Guardians of Orthodoxy who patrol the Catholic parts of the internet could be a bit over-zealous and a little off-putting. My main criticism of him would be that he is divisive, which if it isn't a big issue, should be.
Even as a Conservative Catholic, Voris scares me. I never have liked his videos.
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Originally Posted by Virgil the Roman View Post
Sometimes, I like the man; other times, I did not. I find that more often than not, he's right. I grew disinterested as he grew increasingly repetitive; repeating much that I'd already read elsewhere. Perhaps something else as well? ---- However, I just couldn't quite put my finger on it?

Just my take upon it.
I didn't like his attitude, even when I agreed with what he was saying (which was most of the time) and I suspect that his methods cause more harm than good. He seemed....well, he seemed kind of mean....and kinda insincere. His attitude toward his Bishop confirmed about him what I always figured to be true.

Something about him always made my spidey-sence tingle. I never was a Corapi fan for the same reason.
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Originally Posted by MikeK View Post
I didn't like his attitude, even when I agreed with what he was saying (which was most of the time) and I suspect that his methods cause more harm than good. He seemed....well, he seemed kind of mean....and kinda insincere. His attitude toward his Bishop confirmed about him what I always figured to be true.

Something about him always made my spidey-sence tingle. I never was a Corapi fan for the same reason.
Bingo. Even when I did agree with what he was saying, it was the way he said it that put me off. He always came off as a pompous, holier-than-thou kinda guy. (He seems to fit the negative stereotype of TLM attendees, that you often see flung about)

In conclusion, as my mother says "It's not what you say, it's how you say it".
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