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the Church teaches that God wills the salvation of all humans without exception, and that Mercy is God's greatest attribute
He wills to give unimagined graces to souls who will trust in His Goodness and Mercy
trust in His Infinite Goodness is most pleasing to God
souls that have sinned greatly have a the greatest right to His Mercy, and need not fear
here is a link about the private revelation to St. Faustina last century The Divine Mercy Devotion
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Reps: 514,841,925,420,417,984 (power: 514,841,925,420,422) | | Originally Posted by patricius79  the Church teaches that God wills the salvation of all humans without exception, and that Mercy is God's greatest attribute
He wills to give unimagined graces to souls who will trust in His Goodness and Mercy
trust in His Infinite Goodness is most pleasing to God
souls that have sinned greatly have a the greatest right to His Mercy, and need not fear
here is a link about the private revelation to St. Faustina last century The Divine Mercy Devotion
It would be more accurate to say that 'part of the Church/Body' rather than the 'Church'...as the Catholic Church is not representative of all Believers...and many here certainly would give any credence to the visions of Faustina that are contra-sound teaching on so many levels.
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Reps: 202,849,070,042,294,496 (power: 202,849,070,042,299) | | Originally Posted by Zazal It would be more accurate to say that 'part of the Church/Body' rather than the 'Church'...as the Catholic Church is not representative of all Believers...and many here certainly would give any credence to the visions of Faustina that are contra-sound teaching on so many levels.
God in His Infinite Mercy has established one Body to be the Sacrament of salvation in the world
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19th June 2012, 03:27 PM
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Reps: 202,849,070,042,294,496 (power: 202,849,070,042,299) | | Originally Posted by Zazal It would be more accurate to say that 'part of the Church/Body' rather than the 'Church'...as the Catholic Church is not representative of all Believers...and many here certainly would give any credence to the visions of Faustina that are contra-sound teaching on so many levels.
I find the reports of St. Faustina very credible, though no Catholic is obliged to accept any private revelation, ( not even the eminently public, witnessed ones like Fatima, which was witnessed even by atheists)
what I do believe, and what members of the Catholic Church must believe, is that God is Infinitely Good and Merciful
this has been denied throughout history, by Calvin and Luther for example, who taught that some can have no hope of salvation as they have no free will but have been pre-destined for hell
I believe that this doctrine of God's Infinite Goodness, is, like the doctrine of the Trinity itself--with which it is one--is a powerful unifying force
as likewise another related doctrine, the power of the Name of Jesus Christ
Peace and Mercy to you and to everyone--without exception--in this Name of Jesus
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19th June 2012, 03:39 PM
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Neither Luther nor Calvin taught that. |
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please show me in a clear way that I am wrong
I will gladly admit it if I can see it, as I do not want to be speaking falsely
For example, the Roland Bainton book you advised me to read quotes Luther:
"...God by his mere will deserts, hardens, and damns...."
(Here I Stand. pg. 254)
here is a link with some of Luther's teaching on this Biblical Evidence for Catholicism: Martin Luther Clearly Taught Double Predestination, Yet Prominent (LCMS) Lutheran Pastor Paul T. McCain Remarkably Denies This
but in truth God Is Infinite Goodness and Mercy to everyone
Peace to you Albion in the Name of Jesus Christ
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20th June 2012, 05:32 PM
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Both Luther and Calvin specifically denied that God predestined some people to hell. They both believed in Election to salvation (although they didn't agree totally on that subject), but not that God chose some others to be lost. |
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Reps: 351,424,984,939,523,904 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by patricius79 the Church teaches that God wills the salvation of all humans without exception, and that Mercy is God's greatest attribute
He wills to give unimagined graces to souls who will trust in His Goodness and Mercy
trust in His Infinite Goodness is most pleasing to God
souls that have sinned greatly have a the greatest right to His Mercy, and need not fear
here is a link about the private revelation to St. Faustina last century The Divine Mercy Devotion
I guess then that definition of God's will has God's will failing to accomplish what it claims God wills. |
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Reps: 351,424,984,939,523,904 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Zazal It would be more accurate to say that 'part of the Church/Body' rather than the 'Church'...as the Catholic Church is not representative of all Believers...and many here certainly would give any credence to the visions of Faustina that are contra-sound teaching on so many levels.
Originally Posted by patricius79 God in His Infinite Mercy has established one Body to be the Sacrament of salvation in the world
God did not designate the RCC as the "One Body".
God designated that "One Body" to be comprised of "living stones", that are all genuine believers in Christ, which would include some from the RCC and other particular congregations. | | |
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