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Originally Posted by Respecthelect View Post
If I commit adultery, I'm ashamed. I don't run around claiming some sort of "right" to commit adultery. I don't insist I'm equal to everyone else and "deserve" to continue my evil ways. I don't claim that because we are both consenting adults, we should be free to do anything we want.

I am ashamed. I shut my mouth. I try to hide it. I don't want others to participate in that lifestyle. I am literally happy God (or anyone else) hasn't struck me down, because I know it's wrong. I know it's wrong and act appropriately.

This is what I expect from gays. They are wrong. They should be ashamed, not out claiming rights and recruiting others.

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The gays don't recruit. Not like we do.
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Will and Grace isn't recruiting? Glee isn't recruiting? Gay pride parades aren't recruiting? Attempting to pass gay marriage laws isn't trying to codify their evil lifestyle isn't recruiting?

Everything gays do in the public square is focused on luring more and more participants into their debauchery. The devil loves company and these devils more than most. As I've said many times, this and the rest of the liberal left agenda is only Satan's agenda in a thin disguise.

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Originally Posted by Respecthelect View Post
What does shame have to do with the constitution? Did I say "lock them up?" Did I say to use government in any way shape or form? No. I said they should feel moral shame and we should support them in their shame by agreeing gay behavior is shameful. In this way, we would be supporting their path back to healthiness, cleanliness and Godliness.

We'd also be helping ourselves by not getting caught in Sodom when God decides to drop the hammer. There's nothing the Sodomites feared more than moral judgement. They didn't fear government or the law, they feared judgement on the faces of the angels. We can be with the angels or with the demons. We can try to justify gay behavior or we can stand with the angels and say it's wrong.

When Jesus said don't judge, he meant don't commit violence by throwing stones. He didn't mean, "any sort of evil is permissible." We make judgements about right and wrong every day. We teach our children right from wrong. Each lesson is a lesson in judgement.

Gay behavior is wrong and I think Christian's are hiding behind Jesus' "don't judge" provision to create an evil environment. It's perfectly acceptable to call evil, "evil." I hear plenty of gay supporters on this forum, supporters of evil. But, not many willing to say gay behavior is evil? Can I get good Christian's to weigh in? Not to persecute, not to use the power of government, but just to agree God doesn't like gay behavior and we shouldn't either?

Because I don't think we can fix the issue until there's agreement that it's wrong. Look, our country is fat and getting fatter. Some think it's a public health crisis. Many think it may be due to antibiotics in farm animals. Others think it's due to corn syrup. Whatever the cause, scientists are investigating, we are seeking a cure. It may be the same with gayness? What if antibiotics are increasing the gayness in our children? It's OK to search for a solution to fatness, but not a solution to gayness?

The start is to agree gay behavior is wrong, the same as gluttony is wrong. Only then can we have an open mind to clean it up. To look for environmental or food supply issues. If we don't agree it's wrong, we can't agree to even look for solutions?

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Gay behavior is natural, blame God for creating LGBT types. Oh, God doesn't make mistakes does it, so blame the creation for being created. What a load of junk, a cure for LGBT.

Gluttony? Bet you could come up with a list of sins, why not just blame it all on original sin, it's convenient and nobody has to think.
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Originally Posted by DesertScroll View Post
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Christains are supposed to point to the scriptures, not a Gentile government (2 Tim 3:16). That's like pointing to Caesar for what is good and evil.

"If Caesar says it is ok, then it must be!"

If the scriptures are truth and you point away from them... your not pointing at truth. Quit pointing to that which is not truth.
Oh, I get it, when Scripture is silent, just make something up by perverting a verse or two, right?
Plus, I have no idea why you didn't enjoy my linked article. It mentioned the bed of Sodom, plus, a Rabbi may know more about the OT than folks on this board. Or are you afraid of seeing in a different light.
After centuries of misinterpretations and misrepresentations from the pulpit, I tend to look for accurate information. And it appears that the old story of Sodom and Gomorrah has been twisted and mutilated to place blame on the homosexual.
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"It?" If by "it," you mean the Lord God, the Father, the Creator, the root and the vine, the beginning and the end, the most feared and respected name? Then no, he doesn't make mistakes. He makes challenges, he makes obstacles and he makes provisions. Worry less about what "mistakes" you think God's making and more about the right and wrong he teaches.

All will be revealed soon enough. I'll wait till then to see if you still have the audacity to judge God.

Yes, there are a whole long list of sins. Lust, Gluttony, Greed, Sloth, Wrath, Envy and Pride are a list often touted. The Jews list 613 laws, so one might assume there are at least 613 other sins. The difference is that good Christian's who commit those sins are ashamed and remorseful.

The gays are not.

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Originally Posted by Respecthelect View Post
Will and Grace isn't recruiting? Glee isn't recruiting? Gay pride parades aren't recruiting? Attempting to pass gay marriage laws isn't trying to codify their evil lifestyle isn't recruiting?

Everything gays do in the public square is focused on luring more and more participants into their debauchery. The devil loves company and these devils more than most. As I've said many times, this and the rest of the liberal left agenda is only Satan's agenda in a thin disguise.

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lol, I think I'll be Gay today and switch back tomorrow.
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"It?" If by "it," you mean the Lord God, the Father, the Creator, the root and the vine, the beginning and the end, the most feared and respected name?
prove He is a He. And don't give me that logic about Jesus in human form is God, therefore, God is a man.


Then no, he doesn't make mistakes. He makes challenges, he makes obstacles and he makes provisions.
oh, good grief. So God makes trouble to test creation, when will the beta testing be over with?

Worry less about what "mistakes" you think God's making and more about the right and wrong he teaches.
I'm not the one blaming a Gay for being Gay, you are.

All will be revealed soon enough. I'll wait till then to see if you still have the audacity to judge God.
I'll be through the gate waiting to see if you have your ticket, there is no 'will call'.

Yes, there are a whole long list of sins. Lust, Gluttony, Greed, Sloth, Wrath, Envy and Pride are a list often touted. The Jews list 613 laws, so one might assume there are at least 613 other sins. The difference is that good Christian's who commit those sins are ashamed and remorseful.
no, shame and remorse was taken from us at the cross. Those having that attitude may want to check their tickets for northbound or southbound lanes.

The gays are not
Nor should they be. Is a deer ashamed of being a deer, a blonde male ashamed of being blonde? Get real.
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How should we then live concerning gays?

like we live concerning all sinners...we gotta quit putting folks in boxes.
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Quoting from your article: Isaiah 3-8,9 "because their tongue and their doings are against the LORD,... and they declare their sin as Sodom, they hide it not."

I'm suggesting gays and gay supporters stop saying evil is good. Stop exalting evil. Hide it in shame as your article and the bible direct. Be ashamed as the glutton, the adulterer and the murderer. All sinners. All ashamed. Except the gay. The gay revels in his sin.

This might not be a problem except that modern society has bought into this exaltation and is codifying this sin with laws that do just what Isaiah said not to do - declaring sin and hiding it not. And we all know the result. Not one stone left upon another.

We're supposed to learn from history. If we think America is too big and powerful to be brought down, we better think again. God will turn America into dust in a nanosecond, as he did with Sodom. He's warning us by making us the borrower and not the lender, the tail and not the head. We have every opportunity to make this right. It's entirely our choice. Our choice to shun the evil, our choice to reject gay marriage laws and our choice to speak out against gay behavior.

I'm not saying to persecute gays. Not advocating passing laws to jail them. I'm simply saying they should show the same shamefulness gluttons, adulterers and murderers show. I'm saying we should help them in that endeavor and that we condemn ourselves by voting for gay marriage.

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The deer did not eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. The deer was not created in God's image.

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